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    Posted: 5/04/13 at 5:19pm

This spring I've started working on using a full spin in the stone. I started in a shot circle and have been hitting anywhere between 45-50 feet which is huge for me.

I've now decided to start training from a grass trig to transition those throws to games throws. Little did I know my dreams could be shattered so easily. Here are some problems I'm having:
 
1.) Traction with the left foot from the back of the trig. Suggested footwear?
 
2.) Wide starting stance vs Narrow. I've heard you can lose speed with a wide stance however it seems to work the best for myself. Especially when hitting that right foot where it need to be. Seems to give me more time to look for it.
 
3.) Shot vs Stone. Track throwers, are you throwing most of the time with a stone or are you switching back and forth to a shot?
 
Any input would be appreciated
 
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Yeah, grass can be a lot slower and it can be harder to build a rhythm.  My advice would be just keep practicing on grass since that's what you'll almost always be throwing off of at a games.  As far as answering your more specific questions...

1.  I usually just wear running shoes/cross trainers when doing stone.  I try to find shoes that don't have too much grip on the bottom so I can have less friction when I'm turning.  I've used rotational throwing shoes on occasion, but I need to grass to be a certain way for them to work properly.  Also, I look for shoes that are flatter and lower to the ground since they are much easier to balance in I think.  

2.  Do what feel best for you on stance in my opinion.  Have you ever tried pre-turning your left foot (if you're a righty) a bit? That can help if the grass is giving you too much friction.  I do it sometimes when the grass is too thick or sticky.  It's a bit tough to time correctly if you don't always do it, but it can really make a slow surface feel faster if you nail it.

3.  I don't usually do shot put anymore, but when I was doing mostly track and then some HG I found that the stone and the shot had a different feel to me on the release.  I had a tough time with the stone release for years since the stone is so much bigger than a shot, but once I practiced stone exclusively for a year or two, then I got a better release on the stone.  Now my shot release feels weird.  I personally wouldn't recommend going back and forth on stone and shot because I think the feel of them on the release is too different, but to each their own.  Some people use a shot for practicing stone and it works for them.  I just can't do it.
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I've been using just cross trainers but I've been slipping with that left foot. I've heard of guys using javelin spikes before on the left. I may give it a try but it might be too much.
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If you're slipping with cross trainers, it could be a balance issue or the grass you're usually throwing on could just be too slippery.  I usually get to throw on short dry grass in practice and at a games, so cross trainers seem to work for me. 

The javelin shoes could help if you're looking for some more traction.  I have heard of some guys using them and liking them.  They sound too grippy for my liking.  I hear high jump shoes are supposed to be a bit better though.  I have a pair of Tanel 360 baseball turf shoes.  I have used those the couple of times I threw in wet muddy conditions and they did the trick.  I know other guys make that their shoe of choice even in dry conditions for multiple events.
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I usually throw weights in a baseball cleat just so I can dig in and drive toward the trig on the second turn. Maybe I'll give them a shot first. Might save me some money. One of the great things about them is that the cleats are rubber so if it's too much grip I can cut some off.

I'm always worried about twisting a knee and possible injuries if the cleat digs in too much. Watched a guy at Fergus a few years back pop a Petellar tendon when he put too much torque/weight on the right foot. (He was a track runner trying the games)
 
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Tried a cleat today on the left foot and I was able to stay balanced and actually drive toward the trig without slipping. Was hitting 48 in the circle and 45 on the grass. Big improvement for me!
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Not so much a traction issue maybe - wondering if it's balance. If your left and right feet are moving together they shouldn't be. Rotation 101 you have to keep that right foot flat as you activate the left and torso out of the back. It takes some skill and discipline its generally the first mistake I see. So as you load the left and initiate the left keep the right foot light and flat. Leave it behind it will engage.... once it engages it's on. You may want to heel turn off the left - see some Ron McKee videos. Realize though he's was very good collegiate thrower ( 63'-64' ). A lot of 270 drills will help. Loose the heavy cleat type shoes you shouldn't need them if balance and mechanics are good.
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Originally posted by 17/20 17/20 wrote:

You may want to heel turn off the left
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Originally posted by 17/20 17/20 wrote:

Not so much a traction issue maybe - wondering if it's balance. If your left and right feet are moving together they shouldn't be. Rotation 101 you have to keep that right foot flat as you activate the left and torso out of the back. It takes some skill and discipline its generally the first mistake I see. So as you load the left and initiate the left keep the right foot light and flat. Leave it behind it will engage.... once it engages it's on. You may want to heel turn off the left - see some Ron McKee videos. Realize though he's was very good collegiate thrower ( 63'-64' ). A lot of 270 drills will help. Loose the heavy cleat type shoes you shouldn't need them if balance and mechanics are good.

I have never heard that. Just learned something new
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Originally posted by Mr. Natural Mr. Natural wrote:

Originally posted by 17/20 17/20 wrote:

You may want to heel turn off the left
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Bad form Dave. Anyone have the Milo photo of Ron with the banned boots -lol.
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