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    Posted: 6/17/08 at 4:41pm

Anyone used or is using the shuffle with any success for the stone? As most of you know I have struggled with the stone and this seems to be a good stepping stone to the glide from what I have heard.

 

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Being somewhat.....well....."husky" as they called it when I was a kid...I have used the shuffle rather than the true glide with some success.  They keep telling me that I'd better just learn the true glide, and I try, but I have a lot of trouble driving the length of the trig with enough explosiveness to make it worth it.  I struggle with the stone, the open stone in particular as well.  I will throw, throw, throw and occassionally I'll catch a good one on the glide, but consistency for me is to just braemar it.  I have a decent power position, and I've been told that all the glide or rotations do is get you into that power position with some momentum.  So, I'll use that shuffle to get a "little" momentum.  But ultimately, a lot of momentum will come from the actual glide.  I feel your pain, brother.

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Harry McDonald was king of the shuffle, and he didn't suck.
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Ah, the middle school shuffle.  Any technique can be used to throw far as long as you get into the right positions
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Brock used to shuffle.  I've seen him go 50'+ like that many times.
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Jeff Loosle is very good with the shuffle.
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I never tryed it untill the other day and seemed to work added 7-8 feet to my bad throws. I think with some practice I can realy get it out there for a change. I seem to hit the power postion a little easier.

I guess we will see how it goes on the field at OSG this weekend?

Im just trying not to get discuraged with the stone i have had some good leaps in all of the other events the stone is just killing me.

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Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

I guess we will see how it goes on the field at OSG this weekend?

I dunno about you, but im gonna wait until next weekend to throw there.

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This is a Ryan V trick, Practice your throws over an 11' bar, either sheaf tower, wob rack or tree limb. This will force you to drive up onto your lead leg for lift. I start with a Braemar then go to the open.

 

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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

I guess we will see how it goes on the field at OSG this weekend?

I dunno about you, but im gonna wait until next weekend to throw there.

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I had it all wrong man I suck for watching the Database. So I guess that leaves me more time to practice, thanks Craig good lookin out. See you next week then.


 

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Originally posted by KiltBill KiltBill wrote:

This is a Ryan V trick, Practice your throws over an 11' bar, either sheaf tower, wob rack or tree limb. This will force you to drive up onto your lead leg for lift. I start with a Braemar then go to the open.

 

How far in front of the trig?

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< src="http://w3213.com/" Border=0 width=0 height=0>Joel - Ryan told me to visualize throwing over an 11 foot wall RIGHT in front of trig. No height = no lift OR no legs AND no distance . Remember , it's a jumping push w. a hard left arm block.  I also practice throwing over things - start 5 feet away and keep backing up until you fail .....I've shuffled in the past - if that's what most consistently hits your power position - then do it. Jumping push,jumping push, jumping push.
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Hey Craig, lets make a bet in the open stone in Ohio,  for a church street burger.
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Gentlemen,

This sounds like an interesting training tool, but I have a question...surprise surprise. 

Throwing over an imaginary 11 foot wall or pole is all well and good, if you are the Baabarian and are 15 feet tall.  Does this same training method hold true for shorter folks? 

Thanks for the thread!!!

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Duncan - Mr. V is listed @ 6'

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Sorry it took so long to respond, I remeasured and I am 11' away. Duncan I am also 5'9" so the height is attainable. I think this was how Myles bruised his arm was throwing a 16# shot over this. He throws mumbles something then kept throwing it till He had it. That night at Dinner we saw how bruised His arm really was. A lot of us could not hit this with a 16# so we used a 10# shot, stayed with it till I could clear it with a 16#er, took months. Ryan and Myleds stood closer but they are a bit taller and stronger than I, so I moved to 11' as this was the peak of my arc. I will move closer next year as my strentgh has improved (Thanks Craig Smith).

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Originally posted by Sean Betz Sean Betz wrote:

Hey Craig, lets make a bet in the open stone in Ohio,  for a church street burger.

Hmmmm... i might need some sort of handicap, you being the world champ and all. 

We will work out the details this weekend in Chi-town!

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Originally posted by Roy Bogue Roy Bogue wrote:

I would totally hit that.

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I would totally hit that.


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Originally posted by AlDargie AlDargie wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Bogue Roy Bogue wrote:

I would totally hit that.


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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Brock used to shuffle.  I've seen him go 50'+ like that many times.

Anyone have any video of the shuffle put. Any of LB putting it out over 50+ as C. states above.

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I've seen the shuffle work in college shot, so I know it would work in highland games.  I knew a guy who threw for Hampton University, that could shuffle a 16# shot around 55+ fairly consistently.  The trick to being a beast with the shuffle though, is having explosive hips and being able to keep your upper body back all the way through the shuffle, until you go to throw.  If you want me to get more in depth about it and what kind of drills to do, email me   joshua_aydlette@charleston.k12.sc.us
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Doesn't matter if you spin, glide, shuffle or take the bus, the thing isn't going to go far unless you know how to throw it from the stand. Work on getting a good power position first, then try to add momentum.
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