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    Posted: 2/04/09 at 2:39pm
I am making a sheaf and I was wondering what was the most common thing used to fill them, also cheapest? I have a bunch of rags that I could cut into strips that I was going to try but I wanted to get some input before I do or experiment with anything. I also would like to know the regulations if any to the size of the sheaf. Sorry for the rookie questions but, I am a rookie.

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The cheapest thing to stuff a sheaf with is straw, but it'll rot eventually.  It's so cheap, though, that if you have a ready supply it's a good way to go.  String or twine chopped into pieces is commonly used, but not really cheap.  I bet you'd have trouble getting the fork through a bag stuffed with rags, no matter how much you rip them up.  There's no rule on size:  generally, tighter is better.  Most sheafs are roughly 1 x 2 x 3 in proportions (depth/width/height).
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I think you are right about the rags, I just have a bunch of them ready to go now and I don't have the other stuff as of yet. I don't want to wait so I think I will try it just to experiment. I have all the burlap sacks I could ever want so if a supply of straw or twine presents itself I will be able to capitalize on that as well. I also am looking for pointers on technique seeing as how I have only thrown the sheaf about five times in my, life all in competition. (I was never able to just let it rip because I was terrified of loosing the thing into the crowd.) Are there specs on the fork or anything I should know about that? The forks I see most people use are 2 tine, however, in pics and vids I see people use a 3 tine fork what is the scoop on that? Is one better than the other or just personal pref?
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I used cedar mulch inside 3 burlap sacks.  Twine was too pricey.  A big bag of mulch was like 3 bucks.
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Bailing twine is the best way to go. You can get it at a feed and seed store or some kind of farming store. Goes about 20 bucks for 20 lbs but it packs so much better than straw. Also I don't like to use burlap bags but rather use burlap fabric from a fabric store and make my own bag with it. They seem to hold up a lot longer. The other option would be to buy a ready made bag, if you search for sheafs on this site you'll probably get a few really good options. My personal favorite are sheafs from Jason Clevenger, but we throw with them for nearly every competion around here so it makes sense to use a bag that you know. After making about three sheafs I really thinks its worth the cash to let someone else go through the hassel, but your choice of course. There are a few different reasons why some people go with two tines over three, but for me it's more comfortable to not have to spread my had between the middle tine and I like the flick I get without the third tine.  Also, I like the two tine because it only leaves two holes in my practice bag (and leg) so I don't have to repair it as much. With that said, there maybe something to having that extra resistance on the bag and some games will not let you use a modified fork (I've never been to one, its just what I hear) and probably the best sheaf thrower I know uses a three tine. It's really up to what you would like to do but either one should be fine, but I know that when I buy another fork, I'm going to leave the middle tine on just to see what happens. Hopefully it will make me suck a lot less. By the way, sheaf has got to be the most frustrating event, so enjoy!
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Sheaf advice from the Northsider.... let me get my notebook.

Bite the bullet and buy one..... you will save money in the long run as it may take a few efforts to get one that will last more then a practice session.  Buy a good one and it will last a couple years

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If your from the south of boston area get out and fling some snow.  great way to perfect your form and God knows we have enough of it.

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I am from the south of Utah area so I have never owned a snow shovel and it is beautiful throwing weather almost all year round. 60+ in the dead of winter, this is the place to be my friends. I have only worn long pants a hand full of times this winter.          ;           ;           ; I think I will just buy a good one, the excitement of making my own is dwindling with every failed attempt. The sheaf is frustrating and I don't even have one to throw yet! 

 

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Brandon,

Get ahold of Gordon DeWall( the AD @ Lehi & Payson ). He makes the sheaves used at those games & they're awesome. His prices are reasonable as well. Email me if you need his contact info.

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Or try my client, Rob Hatch.
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Rob Hatch's sheaves look to be the best out there imo.  Go with that.

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I have had 2 Clevenger sheaf that have lasted 3 years of practice, games, and frankly, about a billion bad throws from me.  They are still games worthy.

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Brandon - Why don't you just experiment with other people's forks until you find out what works best for you?  Most Games require that if an athlete brings a fork, it has to be shared with the other competitors.  Most athletes would share even without that rule.
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Wally I will pay double for the Claw this year if you get a new sheaf bag for that games.
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whatsa' matta you?  30 pounds a little too heavy for you?  Now that it's finally dried out, it's back down to 20 again!
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until I get one is there some sort of training you could do without having to have a sheaf or a fork? I do have a fork but I was just wondering if you can train for this crazy event other than actually throwing a sheaf?
Sheaf and Caber have been the hardest events to practice, the first time I ever touched either was my first games and it seems that those are the two signature events that you need to be good at. Any training tips for either other than throwing the object itself would be greatly appreciated. 
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Wally, I was taught to love my fork from my sheaf master Overfelt.  I don't want to lend it to others as it is a relationship.  I just am not comfortable with others dancing with my fork.  Can you understand that?  Is that wrong?
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Originally posted by BIG-LEW BIG-LEW wrote:

The sheaf is frustrating and I don't even have one to throw yet!

Well, that's sheaf, right there.

You really can't train for sheaf or caber without an implement.  What's keeping you from getting a caber (no trees, no space?).
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Mine is stuffed with Pine needles and is also larger than your typical sheaf and also a bit looser.  While you are waiting, you can put 15-20 lbs of taped weights into a burlap bundle and throw that.  You won't get the same feeling inserting the tines (be careful), but it should be enough to feel backswing, the downward drive and finally the upwards pull / snap.

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Wayne- I really haven't been doing more than just looking around for one I don't have much space to store or throw one at my house, I do have a couple fields within a few blocks but I also don't have a truck or trailer to haul them around in. Other than that I just haven't been actively going after one, However, my neighbors tree has caught my attention of late, I hope they go on vacation or something soon. I do have things at work that I use to try and simulate the caber, like CO2 and oxygen cylinders I practice my pick and carry with, but they are much more heavy than the caber I threw in the games and obviously not nearly as tall. I also use 12' x 150' rolls of Geo grid or weed fabric but once again they are way heavy and much bigger around with no tapper. I did manage to get a 12:00 on my first ever caber using this training so until I can get on i will just keep using what I got. (people at work think I am a nut job it's great.) 

Al- Thanks for the advice I will try the weights. Where is a good place to look for some technique training?
   
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check this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-4Erbpz4r4

Classic sheaf tossing.  Notice the different styles - Ryan and a few others will do a spin, some drive and pull almost straight up and HBIII stands further away and has a long gradual UP and UP - Most impressive to see this first hand.

Have to find what works within your range of motion and your power positions.  Good luck.

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Originally posted by Silverback Silverback wrote:

Wally, I was taught to love my fork from my sheaf master Overfelt.  I don't want to lend it to others as it is a relationship.  I just am not comfortable with others dancing with my fork.  Can you understand that?  Is that wrong?

Dude!  l think that your love has turned into an obsession!!  Cut your fork a little slack.  Set it free!  lf it comes back, you know that it loves you.  lf it doesn't, hunt it down and break it over your knee!!!!!
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So I ended up just buying some rope and making a sheaf. I have not thrown it yet, I confess I am a little nervous. If this dose not work I will buy one. but now that I have rope and all the burlap bags I can get my grubby paws on I hope to find a way to make it work. I still need to polish my fork so any suggestions on the best way to do that one right will be great, other wise it sounds simple enough, even for a mental midget like me. Thanks for your input and help, and putting up with all my rookie questions. I am sure I will have more until I am kickin your butts up and down the field.
 
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Rob Hatch will be in Panama City this weekend selling top rate sheafs for less than you can make them for counting your time.  They are prime movers.
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Bag- I have made my own and prefer to buy but I put a heavy piece of metal in the middle and wrap it in twine a million times until the metal is covered.  This allows for somewhat smaller bag that can be easily changed b/c you have a core.

Fork- I feel like all my power comes from the middle tine (I need 3).

Training- Yes, you can train the sheaf.  I take a curl bar (preferably one that has those turning hand loops) and put weight on one end with a solid collar.  Now just hold and swing the bar like you would a fork.  It helps work flexibility of the movement and timing & strength at the bottom. 

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Originally posted by Ryan Stewart Ryan Stewart wrote:

Wally I will pay double for the Claw this year if you get a new sheaf bag for that games.

OK, Ryan.  l took you at your word and ordered two new sheaves, a 20 pounder and a 10!  Just throw the extra money in along with your entry fee as a donation!    Anyone else?
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 Way to go Wally. You must want those sheaf records broken.

I was serious when I said that I will pitch in a little for the sheaf.

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Originally posted by Ryan Stewart Ryan Stewart wrote:

You must want those sheaf records broken.

l enjoy seeing new records being set at the Claw.  That why we offer bonus money for those who break our field records.

Elite:  New record = $100.  Bonus for setting new National record = $400. New North American record = $900.

Pre-Elite: New record = Class A $50, Masters $25.  Bonus for setting new Nat'l record = Class A $200, Masters $150.

Quote I was serious when I said that I will pitch in a little....

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I have seen some crazy sheafs over the years.  Including one in colorado that at one point I was sticking it and a little, green pine cone fell out.  I also know of an AD that made his own that would weight on corner to get a good "flick" off of it.  If you paid attention to which corner he picked on then you were good to go.

I like a sheaf that you can stick the corner and get it to "flick" off the end of your fork.  Some of the newer ones are so compact you can't get a good flick.  It seems that the bags have a happy medium, when they are brand now they are good, as they age, they get a little loose and are better (in my opinion) and then they get too loose and they begin to degrade.  I will take a bag and I have a large, hooked sewing needle, and I'll stitch an old bag around the seams to tighten it up when it gets too loose with some poly twine.  I also will stitch the holes as they get too torn up.  Since we practice the sheaf all the time I have a couple of bags that look like Frankenstein.

AS for forks. I agree with the "love your fork and it will love you" philosophy.  I bought a union fork many years ago and repainted the metal shaft.  I put a small lightening bolt on it and "Wonder Boy".  (Let's see how many guys know that reference).  I took out the middle tine (which makes it illegal in some areas) and smoothed the tines until they were round and smooth (they will have a slight rib in them if you look closely, I ground that off and made the tine smooth).  I think this process made the tines a little more flexible and added to the release.  A few years back, I bought a new one, same brand, and kept the middle tine, used it for a year, but never liked it as well and went back to "old reliable".  I also had a fork given to me by a great friend (it's my back up) and another one that I made from a five tine cut down to two.  It was 5 bucks at Wal Mart, so I figured I couldn't go wrong.  I don't like it and it doesn't like me but I put it out for newbies to use at my games and it's happy.  I embedded a Marine Corp pin and a Gretna Green Anvil coin that Bobby Dodd gave me in the shaft.  I got a 33'er on the 16lb sheaf in Gillette Wyoming and by last count I've thrown over 30ft about 20 times in competition and probably a couple hunderd times in practice including a 34'3" that's my life time PR (not intending to break my arm patting myself on the back, I just get crazy jacked up when it comes to height events).  When it's all said and done, that baby will be hung over the mantel so that my kids can tell crazy stories about their Pops. 

 

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