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    Posted: 6/30/05 at 5:07am

Pros? Cons?  Personally I love the SS Bar. As a Highland Athlete I feel it is better for me. I am not trying to improve my 'squat'  I am trying to improve my leg strength / Power.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BillB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:03am
How exactly does the safety bar shift the weight or does it?I recently discovered one in a corner of the gym I train at off and on.Just curious to learn a little more.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:04am
to me it seems to help you keep better form. you can also use your hands at heavier weight. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BillB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:10am
Does it force you to sit back and straight or what?Next time I go to that gym I'm gonna give it a whirl for kicks.I found it after a pretty tough,by my standards,workout.I didn't have much in the tank to go playing with something new.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:13am

I feel you can use the 'body' a lot more with a bar. Whereas with the SS Bar all the work is directed to the quads, Hips etc. And yes you gotta stay more upright.

If  you really want to torch your legs then hold onto the parts that sit over your neck. You have to keep your arms in and use all leg

I know HBIII started using one and he loves it If I remember correctly.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BillB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:21am
Bingo!I was kinda thinking that when I looked at it.Maybe I've found another weapon of mass destruction to impliment in training.My squat numbers have started to stagnate,so I've taken a little breather from weight training for 2 weeks.Thanks for the info.I'll give it a ride Monday when I start up again.Oh,by the way,I get a kick out your smarta$$ remarks on this site.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:27am
LOL thanks. some dont.  I am really thinking for the highland athlete the SS bar may be the way to go. Again you can always varry it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dWood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 2:09pm
even though they have one at my gym have never really used one...but top throws coach(Ohio state)and husband to the best female highland games athlete to do only one highland games Mr John Smith swears by the SS bar...can't argue with his pupils performances
JUST BRING IT /

SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/30/05 at 2:44pm
Honestly DW, If John Smith says it's good...that is more than enough for me!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coach Mac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 7/01/05 at 7:35pm
This is really a no-brainer...the Safety Squat bar puts
you in a proper posture for the throw (A)...it reduces
pressure on the patellular tendons "if" you keep your
shins perpindicular to the ground...you can really
load up the "rear-chain" with up to 38% more weight
than a regular Oly bar...we have a couple of thrpws
specific squats that we train with that really are
SPECIFIC to the the throws that can only be
duplicated with the Safety Squat although we have a
new set up that maybe the best set up ever in terms
of S-P-E-C-I-F-I-C-I-T-Y !

Have a GREAT Day !
Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay
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Coach can you please pass on those lifts?  Thanks a ton for assisting in this thread coach. We always appreciate any info you pass on.

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The safety squat bar is superior for several reasons.

1.) Enables you to squat in a more upright position - without the knees wandering farther ahead of the toes.

2.) Can use more weight and achieve higher tension/overload.

3.) You can self-spot yourself by pushing with your hands off your knees or grabbing the rack - it's best if you have a rack made for this.

4.)  It takes all the negative pressure off the shoulder girdle.

Be careful about applying to much specificity to weight lifting.  Weight training is not specific to any particular sport.  The objective of lifting weights is to get strong.  That's it.  Energy to improve the competition throws and speed are better spent on the specific skills themselves and bridge activities such as plyos, sprints, et. al.

I tend to be wary of specific "lifts" created to improve a throw, a punch, or a kick.  It's very easy to get caught up in doing to many things and accomplishing nothing.  It usually leads to overtraining.  Stick with the basics and practice specific skills.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 7/09/05 at 2:42am
James I agree. Like Bill Wallace said 'If you want to be a great kicker...kick "

BTW, he is back in OK in august at a buddy of mines school.

That said, To me squatting with a normal bar is just 'improving your squat'.  I feel the SS Bar give better leg development in many ways.  We just need to build power and strength from our legs, to me the SS Bar does a better OVERALL job than the normal bar squat.
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