Shot Put vs. Open stone

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   Hey, my question is you shot put guys, is your open stone better, worse
or the same as your shot put. If its better or worse, why do you think
that is? I have found a couple guys that are opposite with this
question, one better, one worse. Just wanting to find out if there is
any similarities with everyone.

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Tedd Van Vleck Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 10/11/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 80	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tedd Van Vleck Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Shot Put vs. Open stone Posted: 6/30/05 at 7:25pm
	Hey, my question is you shot put guys, is your open stone better, worse or the same as your shot put. If its better or worse, why do you think that is? I have found a couple guys that are opposite with this question, one better, one worse. Just wanting to find out if there is any similarities with everyone.
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brandell Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2433	Post Options Post Reply Quote brandell Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 1:06am
	Personally I don't feel I can put as much on a shot as I do the Stone. To answer this Question I guess we can look to the World Records. Brian Oldfeld has the current WR at 63' with the stone. He was a 70+ foot thrower with the shot. So that would be opposite my problem.

JWC III Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/30/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1277	Post Options Post Reply Quote JWC III Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 3:44am
	Tedd knows this, but my 16lb shot is 2ft better than my stone, while Bill Leffler (Masters WR holder in the stone and ranked 2nd in the nation age group track & field shot putter) sez his stone is better than his shot because he has more "to push" (I assume referring to the relatively larger stone. I would assume this would have to be something to do with individual techniques, but not sure where. I thought maybe it was because I had not mastered the "flick" (I still pretty much shove the weight out of the palm of my hand, a bad wrist keeps me from getting it out on my fingers at the end). My last workout I hit 36'6" with the shot from a Braemar position (how fat, uncoordinated, old guys like me do the open stone), and then I managed 34'51/2" at the last meet with a 17.1lb open stone. I am driving myself to get 40' with the shot or open stone before I die even if I have to eventually shoot myself out of a cannon with shot in hand (though I realize this will likely be consider a "scratch").
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BillB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 11/21/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 538	Post Options Post Reply Quote BillB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 4:23am
	Thom I would like to see the cannon they shoot you out of.
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Hapy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1977	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hapy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 4:41am
	After not throwing the shot for 18 years, I competed at a games in Scotland, and got about 10% better distance on it than with a stone. (PR with stone is 41-5, and shot put was 44 ft) For me anyhow, this might have to do with confidence though. The shot is imminently tuckable and feels nice and solid against my neck, whereas, depending on the stone, I find the handle seems to affect my distances by a large degree. Plus, the flick definitely came back to me as well, though I do try to flick a stone as well... However, this worked great with the 16lb shot, but when I tried the 22lb, I nearly ripped my fingers off.
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Al Yodakis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 11/15/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 73	Post Options Post Reply Quote Al Yodakis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 8:05am
	From what I've seen, peoples stone is usually a few feet shorter than their shot (barring people getting bigger/stronger/better technique). Probably due to better conditions of a concrete circle with smooth shoes, rather than a bumpy grass box with cleats/spikes, and also ugly shaped & heavy (17-18lb) stones. I know doing a full spin in the shot circle in throwing shoes feels much quicker than on grass (and much easier on my knees!)

JWC III Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/30/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1277	Post Options Post Reply Quote JWC III Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 8:41am
	Maybe the discrepancy has to do with the glide vs. the spin. Spinning with a fat stone vs. a compact shot would seem to favor a great distance on the shot and less distance on the stone, while throwing a glide would allow for better stone Vs. shot. Gee, I need a life......and Bill, it would be a cannon 68" in diameter, I just got fitted for a tux and that was the measurement around my shoulders. Hopefully my hips wouldn't get hung up!
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Coach Mac Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 9/01/04 Status: Offline Points: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote Coach Mac Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 1:18pm
	Stones are irregular in shape , however there is MORE weight displacement (a BIGGER size) and the shot's are allowed a maximum size of 129 mm ...the cement surface is much more optimal for throwing...58' 4" SP too 50' 8" 17-lb stone for moi'---
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Sean Betz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic World Champ - ’08 Joined: 9/09/04 Status: Offline Points: 1036	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sean Betz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/01/05 at 3:49pm
	Another point is that you can't bring your own stone to the games your competing at and throw with it. Unless it is your home games. In track you definitely become accustomed to your own shot put, and you can bring it with you and throw at the meet, if it weighs in. Their has been countless games I've thrown at, where the stone is hard to find a handle or hard to tuck. By the time you get 3-5 warm-ups, your up to throw. Its a good thing to find the stone before warm-ups to find a good handle. This is just one of those little adjustments you learn to make while competing. This is what makes the games more interesting and fun than just throwing a ball three times and leaving.

meat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Senior Member Top 10 in the USA - '07-'12 Joined: 11/18/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 715	Post Options Post Reply Quote meat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/07/05 at 12:22am
	I have been more consistant with bigger throws with a stone than a shot. I have had more 50'+ throws and more 52'-53' throws with stones than a shot. The form tends to be more simple and compact with a Scottish style rotation than a full spin. And let's face it. Only a freak like Ken L. is throwing consitantly 52'+ with a glide......
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jluidl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 3/15/05 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote jluidl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/09/05 at 4:18pm
	As a general rule the shot is going to be longer as the implement itself is more aerodymanic and smaller at the same weight. Simple physics. Other considerations are the ability to hold a perfectly round implements vs. a variable shape that changes from game to game.

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	My shot is much farther. I dont slip in the ring and move faster. I also see that I can full spin in the shot but have to face forward in the stone because of its size I cant keep it on the neck. ( I carry high like big O ) and the stone seem to get away and throw me off ballance. Paul WJ_DoneLoading(); Edited by drshot
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	53'2" shot 49'11" open stone...but now gliding...everything starts over...I feel so timmerman like.
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hbaileyIII Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Top 10 in the USA - '02-'12 Joined: 8/30/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 635	Post Options Post Reply Quote hbaileyIII Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/28/05 at 3:37am
	Another poin to consider is the patience factor. In order to get a good flick on a shot you must be extremely patient. If you rush it, the shot moves out of position and you miss the contact point and blow out your elbow or a finger. With most stones you can get a little more aggressive although being more patient with the stone works well also. 52shot and 55stone. Thank god we don't live in Scotland. 22lb shot my butt!!!
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Roy Bogue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/30/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2918	Post Options Post Reply Quote Roy Bogue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7/28/05 at 3:59am
	55-56 stone and 54+ shot. I am pretty much even.
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	Roy. Let's get one thing straight.... I can remember the 54' shot....sticks out in my mind very vividly. But nowhere in my memory can I remember you eating such a large quantity of mexican food, putting that shot up your a$$, and farting it down-hill 56'.....
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Roy Bogue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/30/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2918	Post Options Post Reply Quote Roy Bogue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 8/01/05 at 4:10am
	The stone dude, the stone. I threw the Stone way back when, 99-2000 56+ at Elizabeth Town, PA (Harrison anf Ferency were there) heard it was light after, was pissed. Then threw 55+ at Loon mountain with a legit stone. It didn't seem like a big toss at the time cuz Gudmunsson was throwin 58 - 60 every other weekend So keep chasing my PR. You have beaten all of my others well except caber Oh yeah and Heavy Hammer 103, did you get that one?
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