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    Posted: 2/18/10 at 6:20am
Just started highland games over a year ago and posted on here sometimes. I just did a strongan competition last weekend and tore my ACL while attempting a 280lb. log press and made it worse during the 680lb. frame deadlift where my knee bent in a crazy position it should not have. So I guess I might be out of highland games for good now cause I cannot get the surgery probably for a couple years down the road if at all. That's a part of the sport though. I will continue lifting weights doing what I'm able and don't want to turn into a fat blob. Thanks for letting me vent on here
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Why no surgery?

You could be back in a few months to both HG and Strongman.

I went 3 years on a torn ACL/MCL before surgery, but I was much younger at the time.


(If it's personal, disregard the question i suppose)
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Ryan,
Hang tough. I tore my ACL, MCL and PCL along with losing half my
meniscus in a rock climbing accident (gravity isn't just a theory). I did the
surgery asap follwed by rehab. I had the accident in July and was throwing
the next season. I'm 44 years old and only 190 lbs and have been throwing
steadily for the past 2 years since the injury.

Hit the rehab with the same mindset as you train and throw and you'll be
back. No reason an ACL should take this sport away from you if you don't
want it to--sure, the first season you may have to make some adjustments,
but no big deal. Hang tough, brother.
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Basically cause I have no insurance and no money. The operation costs $10,000. Just can't manage that right now but maybe several years down the road.

Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Why no surgery?You could be back in a few months to both HG and Strongman.I went 3 years on a torn ACL/MCL before surgery, but I was much younger at the time.(If it's personal, disregard the question i suppose)
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ugh, rough.  good luck man.
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Don't lose all hope.  I had a 100% ACL rupture on 2/17/97.  I didn't have surgery.  On 9/2/07 I doubled 600 in the squat @ 235.  I ended up doing some strongman and five years of Highland Games before the knee started getting a little sloppy...and I finally got it reconstructed in December of '06.

I was lucky because the ACL was the only thing that the accident got.  After the deep cartilage/bone bruising healed up, everything else was fine.  With some careful, high rep lifting and some basic rehab, the stability was back pretty quickly even without the ACL.  It probably didn't hurt that I was 25 at the time...but some people can go without it.

Find a good rehab protocol online and slowly try to strengthen it as long as you aren't getting a lot of pain.
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yesterday I attempted some squats, did some box squats with 305x5 already after only 5 days and I've lost nothing off my deadlift, but squatting the knee is in fixed position. I'm most worried about the spin on the WFD or even the hammer throw putting so much side to side pressure on it. I'm going to keep rehabbing for a month and then maybe put my brace on and see if anything is possible as far as throwing. I'll be careful though.

I do want to get an MRI and get it properly diagnosed when I can at least cause it could be one of the other ligaments, but a doctor that was at the show did the test where you lay down and he pulls your lower leg forward near the calf and he thought it felt like it was moving too much compared to the other leg.

I've never heard of other athletes that did not get the surgery being able to do much, especially the high agility type of movements.

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Oh, you haven't even had an MRI yet?  Get that done!
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You really do need to find a way to get a proper diagnosis.  Could be something besides the ACL that you could damage further.

I think the only reason I could do so much is because I have legs that are 30" long and 30" around!  That plus extremely tight hamstrings helped stabilize my knee and allowed it to compensate for no ACL for 10 years of competitive strength sports.  But, I did get the MRI and formal diagnosis to know that the blown ACL was the only problem.

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MYLES I LOVE YOU!!!(in a manly way!!) and rehabbing the frig out of these legs just to share the field with you(Shite is sucks coming back from  a dual patellar tendon tear with a torn left quad) BUT I WILL BE BAck!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get the MRI!!  It will cost a mint, but do it.

find a job that has some sort of health insurance benefits, and stick with it for a while. Are you a student?  I don't supposed that the student health center can help you out?
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I still haven't made it to the doctor for MRI. But I may have overreacted to this. I'm thinking it's a sprang or tear on the inner part of the knee MCL that's the only place it's tender and it has been 17 days and it feels almost completely normal already I have all my range of motion back. I don't seem to have any stability issues like my knee feeling rubbery or slipping out. I will probably try to practice cautiously in 2 more weeks and test it out with my knee brace on. From what I'm finding the MCL can heal up on it's own so I hope that's the only major issue with it.
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Get an MRI, seriously. 

I average like one to two per year with all the injuries I have, better to be safe than sorry.
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An MRI will tell you exactly what you need to know--then you can do rehab that makes sense.  You need to know if it is a torn ligiment and if so, which one or ones or if you don't have a tear at all.  The MRI is worth to know what you're dealing with and how to structure your rehab.
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I hate sprangs!  Craig, I think that me and you and Myles can just go in together and get the home MRI machine and save some trouble and money.
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Mike ,I'm in on the home MRI machine. Can we get an open concept model so I fit, Please.......
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I say get one with the tanning lights in it. 
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Get an MRI, seriously. 

I average like one to two per year with all the injuries I have, .

Ughh...I hate "the tube"!!!   They have to drug me 1/2 way to comatose to get me in that thing.  You are a far braver man than I Mr. Smith.

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What are you scared of?

Lol, just lay there and listen to some headphones to drown out the other noise, well, as best you can anyway.
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That 'other noise' is FRIKKEN loud!  I can't hear the music they pipe in.  Just a good time to meditate and daydream.
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When my brain exploded they kept sticking me in "the tube".  I'm not sure if you know what an angiogram is but I had a couple of them (femural to brain).  It got to the point that I would actually ask them to give me the angiograms instead of the tube, I'm that claustrophobic.  That's when they decided to break out the super mega happy drugs.
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It is not a fun thing, but on my list of things they have done to me under the name of medicine it is not that bad.  I mean yes, you are in a tight spot, but no cutting, no sticking, no bleeding.  Just some new age beat they give you.  Relax and let them show you the science. 
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Little update. After giving it about 3 full months of rehab I was feeling pretty good and gaining some stability back. I went to practice a few times with a brace on and it never made it worse. I kept up practicing and did my first contest since the injury a few weeks ago and threw my best ever. One thing I cannot do is any wide stance deadlifts or squats I keep it narrow and no knee aggravation at all. I have never went to a doctor to get it diagnosed but I'm pretty sure it's a torn miniscus. I didn't think I'd be able to continue with it but I guess I can for a while.
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Ryan,

Take it from me...go to a doctor and get it checked out.  A torn meni can get out of hand in a hurry.  I don't mean to tell you your business or anything...but I splintered mine, jacked up my ligaments...THEN went out the next weekend to Tulsa and did it all again.  Surgery, repair, long road to recovery.

Snap...did it again.  Walking.  Acute tear of the medial meniscus = removed.

Now, right before what is arguably the greatest test I have EVER faced as an HG athlete, on the biggest stage against some of the finest Am throwers I have known, my leg is still not 100%  I have a month to determine whether or not this thing is even going to hold together.  Best hinge brace science can make, new knee sleeves from Rehband (Thanks Jackal's) a mess of leg work, prehab and rehab, and enough painkillers to choke a goat, and chances are still good it is going to blow out.  Again.  If it happens again, I will most likely sit out another year...another year Ryan.

That kills someone like me, and I'm not nearly as talented as you are, or will become. You can continue for awhile, until you tear a piece off the size of your pointer finger and your knee locks up.  Feels creepy.

Get it looked at man.  I would hate for you, or anyone, to have to mess with this nonsense.

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Duncan is right.

I had a knee incident last fall, where it went completely slack at the bottom of a moderately heavy squat. I knew something was wrong, blew it off, trained around it for a few months, did a strongman constest and a powerlifting meet on back to back weekends and did real good in both. I then started a new high volume light weight cycle for another PL meet and 5 weeks into it the knee just had no stability. long story short grade 3 meniscal tear, sprained ACL and MCL, and a host of other problems. Basically non-operable at this point, just worn out at age 50, my pushing it had not helped! and I have been lifting for 30++ years. I still train around it, some days it works, some days it gets tweaked and prevents me from training.

The MRI is not all that expensive, tell them you do not have insurance and you can get a good cash price, probably $350+/-

 

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