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C. Smith
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Posted: 9/22/14 at 9:19am |
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Someone asked me the following, and I was unsure of the answer (or rather the SMAI answer):
Is the MWC's age qualification just like Weightlifting (and other masters sports), where the cut off is year of birth, as opposed to the actual day? I assume it is, because that makes the most sense (obv), but figured I'd ask the man to be sure. |
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It is your birthday vs the opening day of the competition.
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C. Smith
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So it's actual date, as opposed to year?
So two people with a birthday two days apart...one could be eligible and one could be ineligible? That seems quite silly, and exactly why other sports don't do it that way. IWF - Masters Weightlifting:
National Senior Games (Masters T&F):
^^ That makes sense. Edited by C. Smith - 9/22/14 at 12:02pm |
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So if said athlete has a Birthday late December they should be allowed to compete nearly a year early?
And what if said lifter competes, wins the championship then retires or dies before they were really that age?? They were never really a master correct? Yeah I know...I know... But just sayin. BTW in 2013 at the MWC one of the greatest ever in Gene Flynn was just a few days from crossing over into the new age group and may have broken that age groups records at that comp. Should he have just been allowed to break them although he wasn't that age yet by a few days? I agree with the rule you must actually be 40+ when the competition happens to compete. But then again I am looking for any rule that can get anyone with the last name "Miller" out of my age division... |
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It's your birth DAY. You are either at least 40 years old (some games like Alma--45) on the day of the event, or you aren't. Sort of like weight class ;-)
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C. Smith
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Based on the precedent that has been set in other sports, yes. Of course the game would have to take place in January for that to occur....lol.
According to other sports, yes. And you reference the 'rule' that states it's not the case for the SMAI, can you go ahead and cite that rule for me? |
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Interesting, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that people in these classes feel this way. And yes, I'm kidding.... ...kinda. |
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Craig--why would you think anyone in these classes would give a shit about your opinion?
I kid. I kid because I love. Sort of.
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C. Smith
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I'm merely asking a question to the SMAI, I haven't given my opinion, have I?
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"Interesting, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that people in these classes feel this way.
And yes, I'm kidding...."Its either an opinion or a statement of fact. Either way...whatever, man :) |
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And here's where I cease feeding the troll on this.
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At Springfield MWC was 39 yrs 11 1/2 months. Couldn't throw but it was all good. Had a good time shagging/catching up with friends,etc
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Oh that Mark, lol.
Yea, that's my opinion. I thought you meant regarding what the post was actually about. I would hope that people who are close, like Gene was in 2013 (I didn't know that occurred), would be able to compete without people whining about it, especially since there's a precedent in other sports, but.... I'm not even trollin', I just thought it was a legit question for Kevin. I've seen 4 people answer the question in this thread, and no one cited or linked the actual rule. the only thing on the SMAI site is just a blurb in the 'about' page. Is it just a verbal thing/common knowledge thing? |
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I would think "The MWC competition is open to all athletes over 40 year of age with proper qualification as determined by the SMAI." Would be clear imho. Not TURNING 40 that year, but already 40 in order to compete in the WMC. |
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Spring Break 2001 would've been a whole lot funner if drinking age was "year of" rather than actual birthdate
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The first statement seems more like fact, no? Although I suppose there could be another reason those organizations are doing that...
And the second is me stating that people born two days apart may not be able to compete against each other is silly. It is. If you want to extrapolate that to whether or not I think it should be yearly for the SMAI, so be it. Honestly I don't have a dog in the fight, and it was merely a question posed to me. I wonder if it's been discussed before? |
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You laid out two options, said that one obviously made the most sense, and the other was silly. Yeah, that's an opinion, in my opinion. Not that there's anything wrong with having one.
As far as previous discussions go, I don't think there have been any on this board. Face-to-face, in email, or elsewhere, I have no idea? I do remember the second time the MWC was in Inverness, Jason Young qualified by a day, and won his class. As for other organizations, here's the rule for World Masters Athletics for their world championships:
And here's the USATF rule for all events:
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C. Smith
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Interesting. I would have assumed USATF would be in line with IWF and National Seniors Games.
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Craig just hates old people. So do I.
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Old people are the worst.
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a good reason for a cutoff date would be based on time of year the event is scheduled. unlike most sports the MWC is not at the same time each year. Some years it is in spring, others in fall etc. A person in theory could compete 6 times in an age class or only 4 times in an other based on this.
So a good question |
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Old, light, short people are the worstest.
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Craig your funny, I thought the answer to your question was obvious. And origanlly I don't think it was calculated but I wasn't incharge. But I think they just went with what was already in place in the established 50 class. Which was you turned 50 you were ok to throw in the 50 class. Very Scottish, very simple. Lots of folks didn't think the 50's belonged. Now you got names like Alistair Gunn throwing, people want to know the results. Changing it at this point, would be more of a hassle and fight than anyone of us needs or wants to deal with at this point.
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I love this post.
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