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Tedd Van Vleck 
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 Topic: To Lift or Not to Lift, That is the ?Posted: 3/18/05 at 1:30pm |
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Hey guys, I have never seriously trained for these games and have asked this question a lot lately and got mixed answers. Could everyone share whether they lift or don't lift once season starts or what your mix is of both. Also if you do just throw if you break the events up or just one event per day?? The questions could go on and on.
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Posted: 3/18/05 at 2:17pm |
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This is my first season but, I've decided to keep lifting, just not going to try for any huge gains. Simply maintain what I've done til now.
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Posted: 3/18/05 at 2:50pm |
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Tedd, In my opinion, I would keep lifting. Not the sames as you would during the off season; you want to cut down the volume and the amount of max effort work you do. Make sure to keep some speed work in there though. Your throwing should take a front row seat to the lifting but you shouldn't need to cut it completely out if you periodize it carefully. |
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Posted: 3/18/05 at 2:51pm |
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I'd do a little maintenance lifting during season. This can be a
single working set of a few exercises twice a week. For me, it's
mostly my squats and OH press that tend to drop off in-season, so
that's all I bother with, but then again I'm 48 years old so I have to
be careful with my training volume. There's plenty of pulling
work in HG training, so I don't bother with PC, rowing, pullups or DL
in-season. In fact, my DL went up about 65 lbs in my first HG
season without training it at all.
Throwing workouts vary a lot depending on the needs of the athlete. Some people throw every event every day, while others throw one event a day, others mix it up, and so forth. The only really important issues are to attack your weaknesses and adjust the volume to suit your ability to recover. -Wayne |
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M-BAAB
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Posted: 3/19/05 at 2:22am |
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Tedd- I've put this together....2 weeks out from game all I do is throw - bits and pieces throughout the week and a full game (set up trig,measure - get after it-throw all events for conditioning) on Sundays.This lets the pop come back and grooves technique.............. Since we amateurs have breaks b/n games - sometimes weeks- outside of those 2 weeks I try to get #1-a heavy gym type day(say Tuesday) - hi pulls,snatches,fast deads,incline,squats,core w/ a few plyos............#2- a speed day (usually Thursday or Friday-helps to recover from the heavy day)lots of plyos,a few uphill sprints,agilities,racquetball,medball,core,caber cleans - fast stuff............#3 throw on Sunday...repeat 'till 2 weeks out..........I'm 45 so there's times when things get left out depending on my old flesh.......I would recommend lifting in season as a way to avoid injury and actually improve strength levels during season - especially us old farts.
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Tedd Van Vleck
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Posted: 3/19/05 at 3:50am |
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Thanks for the replies so far guys. I like your routine Mike. The reason I am asking this is because I had always lifted in the past throughout the season just throwing on the weekends, either in a game or practice. This year about a month ago I got sick and when I got better, instead of going back to lifting I started throwing. Just an event or 2 every day, with a day or 2 off a week. I am seeing big gaines, granted I don't have the technique down and have never seriously practiced in the past but my events are all coming around. I do enough throws to where I am sore the next day and so I feel I am getting a good workout, especially on caber day. I was thinking about going back to Oly lifting one day a week and sprints another and then break my throws up into 3 days a week.
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Posted: 3/19/05 at 6:05am |
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Ted- I was talking w/ my buddy Myles this morning(new masters 45+ world record holder 56wob at 16' ) and when I touched on your post he told me the same thing he always says - "How can your mind/body be ready to do huge explosive things on the field , IF it's not trained to do that away from the field ". Lifting hard =strength in mind and body to throw far .....unless you've got goofy talent like the Barrons.....AND you have less chance of injury because you're conditioned to move big stuff explosively.Good training.
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 3/19/05 at 7:58am |
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Although I agree that explosiveness in competition requires
explosiveness in training, it's not obvious to me that you need to
train explosively in your in-season lifting.
I guess it depends on your experience, condition, and goals. I do a lot of throwing in-season (5-7 days a week), which is all the explosive training I can handle, so my lifting doesn't need to be. Thus, I concentrate on the strength characteristics that tend to weaken in-season (legs and shoulders). Off-season, with no opportunity to throw <sniff>, my lifting has to be as explosive as possible. This might be an example of how an athlete with a high level of experience would diverge from an athlete who's just getting to know the throws. An athlete whose throwing form is rock solid doesn't need to train the events that much, and so should spend his time getting stronger/more explosive. The athlete who's new to the sport won't be able to apply his strength to the implement until his form develops, so he should spend a lot of time throwing and should just try to maintain strength in lifting. Most athletes are somewhere in between these extremes, but all athletes should consider their training a zero-sum game: if you're training as much as you can, lifting comes at the expense of throwing, and vice versa, so you want to pick the happy medium that best suits your condition, age, and genetics. -Wayne |
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Posted: 3/19/05 at 9:40am |
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One thing you can do is to lift as you would on the weeks you dont have a game and on the weeks you do have a game lift only monday and wednesday, then rest till the days you throw. |
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Posted: 3/20/05 at 5:42pm |
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Weight lifting is a key component of success in highland games as it is
in any other sport emphasizing strength and power. The important
thing is to periodize your training over the year so that resistance
training has its proper place.
Define your goals and objectives. Goal - Perform in each event to the best of your ability. Objectives - Increase strength, power, speed, technique, mental focus, etc. Weight training is used to achieve several objectives. 1.) Build a foundation. This means prepar your body by increasing strength, especially in those areas most condusive to performance. Remember that 80% of the power you generate in any of the events comes from your hips, back and legs. Fix weak points. Identify lagging areas that are holding you back. For 99% of us they are always shoulders, lower back and knees. 2.) Build strength. build a foundation of strength both in speed and limit strength. This is then converted to power. 3.) Create power. A period in which the expression of power is the focus of your training. Launch from the strength you have built and learn to apply it with speed and technique. 4.) Specify - Become more specific with your movements to complement your training for the throws. Teach your body to create speed and power. 5.) Maintain and peak. Learn to maintain power during the in-season and properly peak for maximum performane. Foundation - Strength - Convert to Power - Maintain and Peak. |
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 1:30am |
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Mike did not understand me, he made a mistake. I recomend you do not lift. It will make you bumpy and hungry. I recomend and hope everyone in my class does some relaxing yoga to find some inner peace and eat a vegitarian diet. The tomato is our friend. Meat is evil. That should cure that offensive explosive lifting from ingesting too much protien.
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 2:03am |
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You've made a good point about periodization, but HG is unlike many
other strength sports in that there is a single very long season.
Classical periodization models (e.g., for T&F, weightlifting, etc.)
assume two seasons per year, with each competition period < 3 months
long. This leaves time for GPP, SPP, CP and recovery phases of
appropriate duration. Even in sports with one season per year,
training as if you have two seasons provides greater athltetic
improvement than a single-cycle periodizaton. Attempts at
developing 1- and 3- season-per-year periodizaton models don't work
nearly as well.
In HG, the very long season (5 months here in New England, and longer in most other places) kind of screws things up. It's just not set up to optimize ultimate performance at a particular meet. I don't pretend to know the "right" answer to this, but listening to what your body tells you is probably a decent approach: if you're making progress with your throwing, go with it. If you're feeling flat, figure out whether it's because you need more (or less) throwing, more (or less) lifting, or just need a break. Don't assume that you need to do the same things in training throughout the season. -Wayne |
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Or marathon training. Yeah, that's the ticket. -Wayne |
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 4:23am |
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Myles, How can a guy take you serious with a post like that. You're the guy that when you bought your first hammer the first time the handle broke you threw it away!!! Tedd |
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TED- You can't take any of his posts seriously - he threw the hammer away because it wouldn't go as far as he wanted it to - THUS it was broken........sorry Myles -obviously my mistake...... you must have meant explosive movements in the bathroom resulting from explosive eating - THE real key to your HIGHLAND SUCCESS.Ummmmm...dairy good.
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 6:18am |
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Would that be dubbed, "Dropping the Dynamic Deuce"? |
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 8:09am |
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Mike is correct about the hammer, the handle did not break, the whole thing was broken, it would not fly far, so I did what anyone would do, I threw it away. Sure did not want a friend to get it. I am on my fourth one I think now. I have had a little misfortune with this impliment. Thank you Ted for noticing my inner struggle. I have a new pr, 17 cupcakes in one sitting. Took a lot of milk. |
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I will attempt to break that record this evening. I think i can do it, training has been going well. Oh yea, lift a little during the season, throw a lot. -C |
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 2:17pm |
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17? Does the term "Master" now mean absolutely friggin' nothing?!?! Show them how a pro eats his cupcakes CRAIG!!! |
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here is a good one for you...I sit down at a local pub this weekend and order this big cheeseburger they have on the menu along with a bowl of soup...the waitress asks" you sure you want soup with that?' "yeah" I say and she brings me a bowl of soup. 20 mn. later she walks out with this big f#ckin' burger and it was huge but I woofed it down in about 10 mn. she comes back and looks at me and starts to clap. She brings out this card for a free desert and all the fries I can eat. So now I am really confused,,,here it was one of those challenge burgers (beta cant eat burgers) I didnt even bother to read the card that the burger was on ,,,I just saw the picture and ordered it. So she is all excited and says "are ya full?" and I said... "how bout those unlimited french frys?' She brings me out a basket and says "no one has ever asked for the frys before"
good times, good times. |
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Posted: 3/21/05 at 4:04pm |
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So, are you challenging Myles to a cupcake smackdown?
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Posted: 3/22/05 at 1:08am |
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Senior Pauli, If you will note, I do not do the games or cup cakes as a master. I go open, but I do go with skim milk. |
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Posted: 3/22/05 at 3:49am |
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I'm sorry Myles... I didn't know your open status. I told my wife of your PR this morning and she laughed at your gastrointestinal powers. Now that I have the body of Adonis like chiseled granite I only unleash my powers on Friday nights. Ice cream is usually my weapon of choice but anything with sugar is in mortal danger. I may forgoe my usual and whip up some cupcakes and see how I fare. Then again, strengthened by Mark's inspiration, maybe I'll just do both. Mark... what didn't they have any "monster" shakes around? You always were weak... and common. I'm glad I can still participate even in retirement. We may have to have Kurt add another category to the database. ~Jason
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Posted: 3/22/05 at 3:29pm |
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haha,,,glad you ask,,,,no super shakes but Missi did bring me home a large flurry from DQ about an hour after the Burger eating fest. It was gone in seconds.
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