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    Posted: 3/27/09 at 3:58pm
I'm thinking about it. I've got just under a month until my first Games that I want to do well in.

Go for it?  Not?

What are the main challenges you face when making the transition?

I'm an 83 foot 16 lb hammer thrower,  Old Fart Master guy, about 6' 2" 275 lbs. and I practice 2x a week.
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As someone who only started throwing last year - who is almost exactly the same size - though I'm not a master yet - and who didn't start with blades but has tried them I would say this.

A month is pushing it, unless you have a lot of time to practice.

I threw over 100' with the light at the end of last year and with blades could not get close to that. It changes your whole balance thing, you need a while to figure out how to set up - which is quite different, and basically I fell over a lot when first throwing in them - this may have been because I got ones with a 1" bend in them and didn't have heels initially - I will have heels by next weekend and give them their first true outing.

You are likely to do better at that games by concentrating on your form - do you wear football boots already ? - and concentrate on using boots afterwards.

That's only my opinion, having been a mainly football boot wearing, toe hole digging hammer thrower from the start - you may be able to learn to be at least good if not better - but it's likely to frustrate you to begin with.

Let us know how you go !

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Soul Eater Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 3/29/09 at 9:39pm
It was several years before I went over. A good friend told me that if my feet
started to slip out during the centrifical force of the winds it was time to
make the move. I found it very good advice.
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Reminds me of the song " One Step at a TIME "....lol   Try one blade (al 'a Mike Pokowski) and transition over to both.  10-15ft once you dial in !!!  Keep us posted !
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Yes, what Coach Mac- I started with the right blade only ( I release over my left side). I learned to push or transfer balance over my right side by applying more pressure/force into the ground with right side blade only.  The transfer of weight in conjuction with countering of the hips, rotation of the torso and the pushing of knees forward is quiet difficult to pick-up with both blades.  I also used a 40" handle to transition with the blades. But keeping things in context I wasn't an accomplished hammer thrower 105/125 10 years ago.  I'm considering going back to the 1 blade or no blades. Turning 50 in a few and need to keep the knees healthy- something to consider if your getting up there.

I still wind/drill ( no release) with a 20 lb ankle weight on my right side in the off-season to feel grounded. Good luck.

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I am just at the point where I'm starting to get more hips "action"  in my winds and starting to "get around the back" quicker now.  I think this means I will get 3-4-5 more feet on my throws, which means if I'm on a really good day, I should be in the high 80's.  I'm guessing that I could, possibly break 90 without blades, and if that's the case, then .... well, I'd be jazzed to throw the light hammer 90 feet!.

So I'm guessing that I'm going to wait on this, though maybe, maybe a single blade....Hmmm.  Never thought of that.

Of course, I just pranged up my f**kin' knee in the gym doing squats, the last thing I need to do is lock my knee down and strain it.
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hey coach, remember dave mckenzies left blade that released/turned when he threw
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

I'm thinking about it. I've got just under a month until my first Games that I want to do well in.

Go for it?  Not?

What are the main challenges you face when making the transition?

I'm an 83 foot 16 lb hammer thrower,  Old Fart Master guy, about 6' 2" 275 lbs. and I practice 2x a week.

Alan, starting the games in 2002 at 135 (now around 170) I went to blades my second season just to keep my self from taking flight.

Problem was I was not ready for them the first two comps that year and wound up on my six alot. Per recommendations from Coach Mac, KO and some others, I went to a one blade format for the rest of the season.

Your a much bigger dude than I but I've seen some big boys new to the blades end up on the wrong side of the trig jumping into them too fast.

IMHO I'd let your upcoming comp ride with just your boots or just one blade.  You need to be comfortable no matter what you decide.

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Alan, a couple of comments that I hope will help.

First, when I made the transition, I had been throwing for about 6 or 7 years off and on and I had leveled out at 88-93ft.  Every games, same distance with the 16lb hammer and I had noticed that when I tried throw with "longer arms" I would pull a foot off the ground and loss my balance. 

So, about 2000 I decided I was going to focus on HG full time and actually start "practicing" .  Mike Smith made me some great hammer boots and I pulled these out of the box and thought when I put them on, they would be "magic".  But instead my hammers dropped about 10ft and put them in the closet for about a year.  That was a mistake in my opinion.  Finally, Kevin Rogers told me to either throw with them or without them and if I was going to throw with them I need to practice only with the boots and never, ever throw without them.  So I did, and very quickly I was hitting PR's and when over 100ft by the end of the year.  I now have a PR of 112' plus in competition. 

So, second, you don't have time to adjust to the blades, in my opinion.  But, that said, I know that Nathan and Isaac Burchett put blades on the first time and hit huge PR's right away, but they are young and very athletic, if you are a crusty ol' master, you may need some time to adjust.  Hope this helps, Thom

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Perfect time in my opinion I was @ 83' with LH when I went to blades, dropped 5 to 8' when started. But you will soon see the difference you can make with hip drive and knee position with them on, put them on and don't look back.


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If I may ask, are the blades considered fair game in any class, or is their a certain implied rule about it?
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I have not been to a game that hasn't allowed them.   They are pretty much used everywhere.  I swear by my boots, and cant really throw well without them.  Great highland games tool that I would encourage anyone to at least try for a few months to find out for themselves

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I'm doing a hammer workshop with Josh Grace in a few weeks, and Josh's prep hints are getting me to throw in a very different style than I'm used to. I have the distinct impression that if I can "get a handle"  on what Josh is saying, I'm going to add a bunch of distance to my throws, since the head speed I'm getting already is a lot higher than what I've been doing in the past..  I'm winding 3x a week to try to accomplish this, as well as doing some specific stuff in the gym....and for me, that's a lot of practice.

I suspect that this change is going to start moving my feet all over the place, in time. If that's the case, then I'll do the transition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5/06/09 at 7:56am
Hey, stupid question, but you guys that throw with one blade...uhhh....

which foot is it on?
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Speaking of boots/blades, in case you guys don't want to go to the trouble of making your own, I bought a pair that Ryan Vierra made for me--awesome.  Not that I can throw the hammer well, but it's not the boots' fault. He uses aluminum blades that are way way strong, don't bend and are really light.  I think I paid around $130-140 for them fully made with boots. I sucked at making my own. I think he still sells 'em.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote West Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5/07/09 at 6:08am
he told me they were $85, though Im not sure if thats for one blade or two. He still sells them though
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/08/09 at 2:38pm
Well, I took an old pair of boots and drilled some holes in the soles.  I went down to Ace hardware and bought some 1-inch mild steel, went after it with a hacksaw.

Couple of 5 / 16ths inch bolts and fender washers and 90 minutes later I have something that looks like hammer boots.

Now, it turns out that the steel bends, but then on the flip side, the first two times I did this I wound up on my hands and knees, facing away from the trig board, laughing.  Since the steel bends I didn't rip out every ligament I was born with in my knees.

Anyway, after those two humbling episodes I changed to just wearing one blade, and that went very well.  I have a hard time keeping my left foot steady, and now it's solid with the blade in the ground.  So for the forseeable future I'll be throwing with one hammer boot.

Thanks for all the information, gents.
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