Hands
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Topic: Hands
Posted By: Neeb
Subject: Hands
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 10:12am
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I'm finding my hands hinder my practice sessions because they get sore long before the rest of me gets tired. I've seen guys use tape and gloves before but havent really tried either much. What do you all use? and if you throw bare handed what do you suggest to get my hands up to snuff? ------------- I'm a lot bigger than I am strong. |
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 11:48am
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Deadlifting.
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: Todd Bell
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 2:26pm
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carpet cleaning,pulls of all kinds........
------------- crouch,touch,pause,engage |
Posted By: verewulf
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 2:35pm
| keeping your hands calloused but keeping them filed down. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 4:22pm
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"Deadlifting." Yeah right Wayne...like deadlifting EVER helped ANYONE.
My grip is so weak I can barely hold a conversation. Deadlifting makes all the difference Neeb. Anytime you can put the straps away and just barehand something the better. Cleans, sntaches...whatever...provided you can do it SAFELY. Now, I have heard it said that if your hands are preventing you from throwing (because that is what we do) hanging a lifting strap around the WFD handle will let you get some footwurq practice without tiring out your grip. Give it a shot...your release at the end of the throw might not be stellar, but man it does make a difference. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Neeb
Date Posted: 3/19/11 at 5:12pm
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Next time deadlifts come up in my rotation ill be sure to leave the straps in my gym bag. Feel kind of silly knowing thats whats been holding me back. thanks for the help guys. ------------- I'm a lot bigger than I am strong. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 11:29am
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Dude, don't feel silly. You didn't know. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle! http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://rat-hunter.com/stories/2008/gi-joe/rat-hunter-gi-joe.jpg&imgrefurl=http://rat-hunter.com/&usg=__EgOqU4LkGNdckxmPl7rU9uRHS3s=&h=320&w=480&sz=37&hl=en&start=13&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=vGRalXiwmAMHQM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgi%2Bjoe%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=tI2GTfedJoS60QGHh93iCA -
Go JOE!!!
------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 11:52am
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Another alternative is to tape the thumb, aply tacky to taped thumb
and hook grip. Awesome picture Duncan! My kids couldn't figure out how a squirrel could get so big. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 12:00pm
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Neeb, Bill is right about the hook grip. One thing he forgot to mention is that if you are doing it right it is going to hurt. A lot. But once your thumbnail gets used to the pressure, you'll be golden. Glad you liked the picture. Hope you got a laugh. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Action Figure
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 1:05pm
 ------------- Eating like it's my job. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 1:54pm
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Attaboy SnakeEyes! ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Neeb
Date Posted: 3/20/11 at 6:51pm
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Ill try out the hook grip, but in the mean time its hand toughening time. Also, i had been under the impression that while knowing was half the battle, the other half was violence. ------------- I'm a lot bigger than I am strong. |
Posted By: Action Figure
Date Posted: 3/21/11 at 11:04am
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In the land of the GI Joe cartoon, red lasers + blue lasers = violence.
------------- Eating like it's my job. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/21/11 at 3:55pm
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How were the deads Neeb? ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Neeb
Date Posted: 3/21/11 at 6:22pm
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Didn't go too bad, did well in my sets at 275, 315 was too much for my grip 3 reps in though had to finish with straps. It's a work in progress. ------------- I'm a lot bigger than I am strong. |
Posted By: JSiau10
Date Posted: 3/22/11 at 6:29pm
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can't say if it actually works or not, but I just train
longer. it hurts like a bitch, but it builds up the callouses pretty fast. ------------- I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 3/23/11 at 5:14am
Strengthening hands and grip is always a good idea, but you really should be throwing with the hook grip anyway. ------------- |
Neeb wrote:Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 3/23/11 at 6:51am
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My first game was Culloden, (Craig Smith was our Caber Judge, Kerney the sheaf Judge) 1 year later i could not hold on to the weights for distance. At my second Culloden I watched this mountain of a man wrapping his thumb around the weight and just launch it. After the event I asked him how he was able to hold on to such a monster throw? He got down and showed me how to do the hook grip! Been using it ever since. Thanks Myles! |
Posted By: Mr. Natural
Date Posted: 3/23/11 at 7:32am
| http://www.nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6142&KW=hook+grip - Psst... |
Posted By: Crazy Irican
Date Posted: 3/29/11 at 4:29am
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Ironmind.com has a ton of good info on hand health (which includes strength). Kyle Speer showed me some articles on hand health in MILO. ------------- Eat right, get lots of sleep, drink plenty of fluids, GO LIKE HELL. |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 4/03/11 at 10:02am
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make sure the weight sits on your thumb between your index finger and 2nd finger or you'll still be ripping your hand to pieces. So, from top to bottom (looking down, it should be weight, thumb, index/2nd finger) otherweise the weght is still going to sit on the gushy callused part of your hand and you're still going to be ripping it all the time. I also tape my ring finger as the weight sits there as well and when I do the spin WOB I tape my pinky finger. I had to figure that out the hard way. I've been hooking now for about 3 months and after about 15 hard throws with the HWFD my thumb is throbbing so bad I have to stop.. You just have to get used to it. I grab a glove and do my footwork stuff without the hook grip and at very little intensity. When it's time to do serious throws I'll tape up my thumb and ring finger.
Throw far buddy!!! oh, and get some chalk for those deadlifts! |
Posted By: Hapy
Date Posted: 4/03/11 at 2:20pm
Hmmm... Not to say you are wrong there, as it may just be personal preference, but I put my thumb "on the side" of the handle, so that the weight is actually touching both the thumb and the fingers. (see the link that Dave Barron posted above - I think I do it pretty much like Wayne posted) I tried doing it originally the way you wrote, but found the weight getting stuck on the release on my thumb. - I can't remember who told me to try it differently, but it works for me. You might try not such a deep hook, this should enable you to throw pretty much all day without thumb pain. ------------- Real Men Wear Purple Tinky Winky Throw Far! http://www.facebook.com/CVTSA" rel="nofollow - Central Vermont Strength Association |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 4/04/11 at 1:17am
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I use a glove because it is leather and smells nice, puts me in a nice place. And I have large hands and plenty of extra thumb and finger. It is never near being in the hand. The hook is nice as it is like a light switch and comes out so quick, there is no slippage. It is either in or it is out. No half way. I hear that Mr. Natural also tapes his toes prior to the weights. But he only uses left wing litigator red tape.
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Posted By: Mr. Natural
Date Posted: 4/04/11 at 2:45am
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Lies. I go au natural underneath, need to feel the breeze. |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 4/04/11 at 3:46pm
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different strokes for different folks I suppose.. I have tried mutliple different hook grips and the one I described causes the least damage to my hands, lol.. If I go on the side like you suggested, I still end up ripping calluses all day long.. good input though as I'm sure it's different for everyone!! |
Posted By: ROB EVANS
Date Posted: 4/07/11 at 8:10am
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Order some C.O.C's from http://ironmind.com - http://ironmind.com
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 4/07/11 at 8:19am
Eh, not really. Grippers are primarily crushing grip strength, while holding a weight is more supporting grip strength. So being able to close the #3 isn't really going to have the carryover you seek. Not to mention while throwing, you want your arm as long and loose as possible. With that, we're back to the hook grip. ------------- |
Posted By: ROB EVANS
Date Posted: 4/07/11 at 8:25am
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Or if you ever meet J. Irvin you could ask him how he got his grip strength. Shaking his hand is like shaking the hand of a Silverback. ------------- If Spencer Tyler is the gamma bomb of explosion, you and I are like single-serving flan cups in his lunchbox. Pasty, Jiggly, Delicious, but otherwise not very explosive. DUNCAN MCCALLUM |
Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 4/07/11 at 8:32am
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And he hook grips... Just sayin'
------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 4/10/11 at 10:02am
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Funny, the guy that comes out and throws with me is Jason Irvin. Really.
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Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 4/10/11 at 2:40pm
Jon Irvin (Oklahoma City) has calves for forearms, and I agree with Rob, He can cold form steel with his grip, but when he is throwing in competition... He Hooks. It is a great way to have nice loose arms when throwing and a sure hold on the implement. Who cares about a dark line under your thumbnail??? 
------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: Styler
Date Posted: 4/12/11 at 6:18am
Quint and I both had major grip problems... even when hooking. I could hang on to any throw of the 56# that was 40 or less. But when I decided to turn it up, I would ALWAYS blow my grip ... So we made an effort to have two, big time, grip days a week during, and after, our Core training... Did a lot of single hand deads, snatches, plate and bumper holds (and snatches), and rolling thunder stuff. We would use both regular and hook grips for all but the rolling thunder stuff. Some said that we were spinning our wheels, but we can both attest that our grip has never felt better. Of course the deadlift stuff will always help, but it does good to spend some time with single hand lifts.... but What the hell do I know.
------------- Spencer Tyler = Awesome!!! |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 4/22/11 at 11:17am
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Two things.... I personally keep a griipper in the car. It's not a COC it's just the strongest gripper I could get at Big five sports. When the car is at a stoplight, I grab the gripper and hold it shut for a twenty count. Then swap hands. I can get in three holds before the light changes. Secondly, if you have a pretty strong grip, and you are pulling the weights out of your hand during throws, I suspect you might be working against the weight, and pulling it out of it's natural trajectory. If you do that, it won't go as far. I am no throwing beast, but I have a so-so grip, and the only times I lose a weight is when I'm throwing wrong, and fighting the weight. ------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 4/23/11 at 4:15pm
| I lost the weight for the first time in a long time today, lol.. I didn't spray tack my thumb before taping it and as I was putting some heat on the HWFD right when landing the 2nd spin the tape pulled right off, haha.. |
Posted By: Tommi
Date Posted: 4/24/11 at 9:17am
Def. a good tip. If you don't keep them down they'll rip off easier, and that's no fun. Also, DL is great for getting the hands to toughen up. If you are wanting to throw more than your hands will allow I would suggest throwing until they hurt, then taping or using gloves for the rest of your throwing session. You'll get good work in for your throws and hands both. ------------- Tommi.Kitchens. |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 4/25/11 at 1:14am
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Spence, your grip will be much improved if you put the beer down or at least switch it to your off hand.
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