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Topic: sheaf fork grief
Posted By: Alan H
Subject: sheaf fork grief
Date Posted: 7/04/11 at 5:59am
OK, I feel like I'm winding up better...
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could straighten out that arm a bit, but my chin is on my shoulder and I'm up on my toes.

now, when I absolutely GO for it, REALLY drive the fork down to the check point in front of my left foot
with a big push from my upper (right) arm, what happens is that when I start coming up, I blow the fork
clean out of my left hand. KAPOW...Bag goes sailing off into the distance off to my left. I did this twice
yesterday when I was going balls out for 25 feet.

I suspect that driving DOWN that hard has little point to it, after all the goal of the event is to heave
the bag UP, not DOWN, and if I'm going to drive to the ragged edge of control it should be UP, not down...

BUT

WTH do I know? Comments and suggestions?


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training



Replies:
Posted By: Todd Bell
Date Posted: 7/04/11 at 6:05am
don't think so much.....just throw it higher.....really

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crouch,touch,pause,engage


Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 7/04/11 at 6:29am
LOL...Todd, it's telling that all 12 beers staying in the cooler during the entire practice, nobody drank ONE.  I popped one when I got home, but on a hot day, that ain't right.

BTW, my best yesterday was 22 feet. Chasing the 24...


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training


Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 7/05/11 at 12:14am

Alan, faster down = faster hand speed up. Usually when you go all out your form falls apart, not you inparticular but Todd and myself. I am unable to view the pictures but were you driving to the checkpoint on the inside of your right foot and almost sweeping the ground with the bag, driving hard with your right hip moving forward. Arms long. The point of burying your chin into your shoulder is for a high backswing that equates to a faster downward drive. Like Myles said the bag should be ripping as you transition from fast dive to the pull.



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Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 7/05/11 at 5:53am
I should get video again.

Wow...I was spaced out when I wrote the original post.  Todd makes a comment and I start writing about beer???  Minor disjoint in the thought process.  OK, so I was TIRED.

I am driving that fork down to the checkpoint as hard as I can.  I think I'm giving away some horsepower by not ramming my right hand DOWN for the "leverage flick" on the way up.  I am still sucking the fork up into my body.


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training


Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/05/11 at 5:32pm
I by no means am a sheaf expert, but I did PR 8 feet when I practiced twice a week and worked on rotating a far back as possible on my windup and really stamping my left foot down hard and pushing up.  Like I said, I am no expert, just a little of what I did to increase my throws.

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: CLANBOB
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 6:08am

hope you get something out of this.

 

Left arm:

Just like the hammer, you need to stay long to mximize and hold the greatest circumfrence through out the pull when coming off the back swing maximizing velocity. To do this the left arm must stay straight at all times. If you bend your left arm just before the release you shorten the circumference and slow the velocity just like short arming the hammer. Look at your left elbow when you are in the starting position. It should point behind you, not out to the side like a gorilla. When the elbow is pointed behind you throughout the entire throw it prevents the left arm from bending thereby keeping it straight. Think of the left arm as a straight line or the hand of a clock.  Concentrate more on driving with the right arm but keep the left straight. Duct tape a PVC pipe to your arm if you have too to keep the arm locked.

Grip:

I'm 6'-5" and hold the fork about 36" hand to hand. Too wide a grip, you limit the back swing, too short a grip you lose leverage. Find your own sweet spot.

Back swing:

At full back swing, my left arm is parallel to the ground and straight, my right forearm is vertical and my bicept is parallel to the ground (right arm bent at a 90). Shoulders are vertical, and hips horizontal to the ground cranking the torso like a spring. ( lotts of explosion here) To get cranked back that far I don't do that rocking back and forth thing, I just start by holding the bag up high with the left arm and let it swing back like a pendulum so the weight of the bag cranks my torso maximizing the back swing more than I could ever do without the assistance of the bag. 

Not for nothin, I hit a 29 PR, got the height for 30-31 but keep front ending the bar. I throw a near straight up shot about 80 degrees taking 1.5 steps in font of the bar and standing with feet at a 45 degree offset from parallel.    

Hope this helps  



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Bob Vail
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Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 6:51am
Bob, left arm is parallel to the ground in that pic (which most of you probably can't see) but there's a little bend in it. OK, gotta straighten that out.

Bigscot, could you elaborate on this "and really stamping my left foot down hard and pushing up"... stamping your foot?


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training


Posted By: CLANBOB
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 7:04am
I can't open the pic but I hold the bag with the left hand and I check to my right foot not left ??? try it bro!!!

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Bob Vail
Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit


Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 8:14am
Originally posted by CLANBOB CLANBOB wrote:

I can't open the pic but I hold the bag with the left hand and I check to my right foot not left ??? try it bro!!!


All right....got a practice tomorrow, I'll try checking in front of the other foot. Thanks, Bob!  See ya in a couple weeks!


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training


Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 8:38am
Alan,
For me, it is about the rhythm of the throw. I rock side to side,
transferring my weight from side to side feeling it left to right, etc. On
my last windup, reach as far back as possible, push down, and pull
up. On the down then up, I kinda stamp my left foot into the ground,
perform hip pop (like with snatch, etc). This stomping just is part of my
rhythm and it emphasizes to me to pop my hips hard, with the pull
and stopping that arm hard, hard enough that when I pop the hips and
pull, that my feet pop up a little off the ground, again like the pop and
finish with snatch/clean etc. Again, not an expert, but what works for
me. I kinda look at the event like a free throw in basketball with
increasing force with each shot (the basketball player in me will never
die).

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: CLANBOB
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 8:39am
I had to cancel, I've been summoned to Bermuda Power and Electric that weekend for an emergency service at the power plant. Really wanted to see my buddy Big Al and you guy's but they are one of my big customers. Best wishes and Good luck at the Claw. 

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Bob Vail
Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit


Posted By: CLANBOB
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 9:05am

Alan,

If you have face book, go to this site and you can see what I mean.

https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_50064698215&ap=1 - https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_50064698215&a p=1



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Bob Vail
Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit


Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 11:06am
Originally posted by CLANBOB CLANBOB wrote:

I had to cancel, I've been summoned to Bermuda Power and Electric that weekend for an emergency service at the power plant. Really wanted to see my buddy Big Al and you guy's but they are one of my big customers. Best wishes and Good luck at the Claw. 


Well, dang...was looking forward to meeting you, but a big contract is a big contract....

I'll go look at the Facebook page.

Bigscot50...got it. I'm gonna try that foot stamp thing tomorrow.


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Alan Hebert

Geezer-In-Training


Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 11:28am
Re: Checking to the right foot

Yes.  Otherwise your pull will be grossly short and the bag will often fly off to the left. 

Re:  Stamping your left foot

No, as a general rule.  I've only seen one person successfully (32'+/20lb) be able to throw this way, and his name is Larry Brock. 




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Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 11:50am
Well, I'm still learning, Craig. Just what I do.

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 11:53am
Of course, I don't throw 32 with a 20 pound sheaf either, 32 with a 16,
but not with 20.

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 11:59am
That's why I said 'as a general rule', cause im all for finding what works for you. Most everything you can think of in Highland games/throwing has been tried before, and what sticks around is what works. Although there are always exceptions. Your sheaf very well could be that exception.

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Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 12:03pm
Understood. BTW Craig, are you going to the Columbus, IN games?

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 12:17pm
yesssir, ill be there!

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Posted By: BigScot50
Date Posted: 7/06/11 at 3:01pm
Will see you there then.

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"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson (english poet)


Posted By: Rebel Paulk
Date Posted: 7/29/11 at 12:09am
so what do you guys use to practice the sheaf? are we making home made bags or is there something available out there to buy? i looked online and could not find anything. if these are home made, anyone have dimensions and tips?


Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 7/29/11 at 1:14am
You need to find Merl.  Ancient athletics is the place to look.  The guy makes some fabulous bags and is a wonderful person.  

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Mule

Sportkilt
AST Sport Supplements


Posted By: Rebel Paulk
Date Posted: 7/29/11 at 3:58am
awesome...thanks



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