First Ever WFD Throws
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Topic: First Ever WFD Throws
Posted By: JB Cochran
Subject: First Ever WFD Throws
Date Posted: 1/23/12 at 3:37pm
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These are my very first attempts at throwing WFD. I watched a couple of videos of people throwing, put a few 5# plates on the ballistica, and this is the result. The whole thing felt awkward. I felt like I was out there just jumping around in circles and throwing a weight at the end of each motion; it felt jerky and uncomfortable. How do I improve? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-ZsaItnow&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-ZsaItnow&feature=youtu.be ------------- Virtute et labore. |
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Posted By: Jim Glover
Date Posted: 1/23/12 at 8:30pm
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I can't give you advice because I suck but I can tell you what my plan is. Watch Ryan Stewart vids, throw, think about much I suck, throw some more, repeat from step one. I don't know how much weight you have on there but I'm doing throwing drills with 15#. I'm more worried about speed than power. ------------- "A single one of us can defeat your whole army. If you do not believe it, you may try, only please order your army to stop shooting with firearms." - Mameluke Chieftain Kurtbay |
Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 1/23/12 at 11:36pm
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Where do you live at? Training with someone would help. Practice casting the weight at 1:00 then initiate the first turn. When you can do that post more video. First turn your right foot replaces your left foot. ------------- Remember Kay Cummings, Father of the Highland Games in the Southeast and my friend. Lets Go Run With The Big Dogs! |
Posted By: Old Dude
Date Posted: 1/25/12 at 3:04pm
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Just a simple cue for throwing the weight. The highest point of the orbit or arc that the weight follows should in the direction you want the weight to fly. Check out this video of this Kanadian thrower I happen to be acquainted with... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_7wODWv1IM The yell at the end of the throw is helpful. What KiltBill said. Once you see how it's done, you'll catch on. ------------- Over Fork Over |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 1/31/12 at 11:07pm
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Ok, there are some good things happening here, and some easy fixes. 1. Your initial cast is backwards. What I mean is, you are casting the weight high behind yourself, and then when it comes to the front, it is low. At :10 in your vid, you can see what I mean. Old Dude is right on the money here. Because you cast the weight low and super close to your body, you were pulled all the way to the left side of the trig, thereby limiting the amount of space you have to work with. We want more space, not less space. 2. You are in a decent position for a sprint step (the step that sets up the release of the implement) and this is a good thing! However, you do the same "high in the back, low in front" kind of cast, and when you get to the front of the trig and are ready to make your throw, you end up "scooping" the weight. Watch :12 to :14 and you'll see what I mean. 3. Your second throw is really just a continuation of the things you were doing in your first throw. The difference here is that the weight is SO CLOSE to your body you are slowing WAY down and hopping from step to step. From :19 to :23...just hopping around. Remember smooth is fast...if you stay all herky-jerky like you were in this throw (even though it might feel fast) you won't ever really BE fast. 4. Your orbits looked MUCH better on your last throw. This is a good start. Couple of keys for you to improve this throw right away. 1. SLOW DOWN. You are too fast out of the back right now. In time, you'll get there...but right now, all that speed is shutting you down. Remember, if you start slow, you can get faster. If you start fast, you are more likely to slow down. 2. Start practicing one turn throws. You'll see a lot of folks doing these in their videos. I'll put some up in my next one for you to see. Your throw will go just as far (right now) and you will start learning how the orbit is supposed to feel. 3. Cast high and in front of you. Casting low and in close to your body, like you are doing, is not helping you. It is going to feel weird at first...but once you get that weight traveling on a path where you can use gravity to your advantage (and all those other physics things) it is going to go WAY downfield. Just trust us on this. Work on these things and RELAX. Put a flag or a marker or something out in front of you at 30 feet or so...try dropping the weight in there using perfect technique. 75% effort. See what happens! ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: JB Cochran
Date Posted: 2/02/12 at 9:00am
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Thanks y'all for all the great advice. I've taken it to heart and tried to put it into motion in the newest videos I've recorded. Here are some one turn throws. Each one went between 36'-37'. Again, pick them apart and let me know what looks good, bad, or otherwise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqZ6vga3X8s&context=C3c1f46eADOEgsToPDskKrzygx5x0ZMhg7VHLsjRt3" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqZ6vga3X8s&context=C3c1f46eADOEgsToPDskKrzygx5x0ZMhg7VHLsjRt3 ------------- Virtute et labore. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 2/02/12 at 12:32pm
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MUCH Better!!! ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: JSiau10
Date Posted: 2/02/12 at 1:52pm
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the best thing I can suggest is watch lots of videos. here is a great place to start. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=weight+for+distance&oq=weight+for+distance&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=87038l89995l0l90273l19l15l0l2l2l0l184l1448l7.6l13l0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=weight+for+distance&oq=weight+for+distance&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=87038l89995l0l90273l19l15l0l2l2l0l184l1448l7.6l13l0
Look for anything with Ryan Vierra, that's the ticket. ------------- I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart. |
Posted By: JB Cochran
Date Posted: 2/02/12 at 11:51pm
I've been wearing out YouTube doing just that. Actually, I was watching a Ryan Vierra video yesterday from the 2002 Celtic Classic. I noticed he starts his upper body rotation much earlier than I do. I begin my rotation right before I initially jump into the box, around 1 o'clock in the swing. He begins rotating his upper body before the weight even gets back to the 3 o'clock. I also noticed during his orbit the weight is higher in the front and lower in the back than what I'm doing. I'm gonna try to imitate these things today with some more one turn throws. We'll see how it goes. ------------- Virtute et labore. |
JSiau10 wrote:Posted By: JSiau10
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 9:57am
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where do you live? if you can find some guys nearby who get together to throw some weekends, that would be a great opportunity to take advantage of. ------------- I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart. |
Posted By: JB Cochran
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 11:18am
I'm in Sumter, SC. I've put my name and info out on here, on the shagshag site, and on the SSAAA site with extremely limited success. Bert Sorin put me in contact with a guy around here who said he would get a hold of me when he and his wife go throw, but I haven't heard anything in a few weeks now. I'm on the same page with you, though. I'd love to throw with some folks who can really help me learn the proper technique(s). Having someone on the spot to point out my mistakes is how I learn best. It's just a matter of me finding someone. For now, I guess I'll keep throwing, posting videos, and getting whatever advice I can get a hold of. ------------- Virtute et labore. |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 11:23am
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Shane Sutherland and Wes Kiser...find them. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 1:00pm
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Second video was already miles better than the first one. Try to make a little more forward progress during the throw. I see you have a board in front of you to take the place of the trig board... OK, step back another short step and start your throw again. Try to move up towards the board, while you're getting under the weight, after you cast it. You can cast (forward like Duncan told you) kind of slow-ish, then get real quick with your feet and get "under" the weight. If you do it right, your right arm will be straight out to the side of your body, or even a bit "behind" you. Hit that position with your knees bent, and PULL LIKE HELL, with your hips leading. Finish with your chest up. Like the lasses say...'show 'em what you got". Only 99,743 more throws to go to perfection!  ------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |
Posted By: JB Cochran
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 1:31pm
That's all? I'm right on track then! I've seen/heard people mention the sprint step. What is that, and at what point in the motion is that supposed to be happening? ------------- Virtute et labore. |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 2/03/12 at 3:32pm
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You know what I'd say? ....not everybody is going to agree with this, but what the heck. You are clearly a strong dude. I'd say...forget the double spin until you hit 40+ feet pretty much every time with a single spin. so don't sorry about that "sprint phase" stuff just yet. It's not very often that I'll use one of my own video's for a teaching tool, but here goes... Just watch the first 3-4-5 light weight for distance throws. Not that they're miraculous throws or anything but I'm getting 42-45 feet on those single spins and you are almost for sure stronger and faster than I am. Just do that (except get more separation....hold your shoulders back and get your hips forward more than I do, before the big pull at the end.) and when you can drop 8 out of 10 in there at 40+, THEN worry about a double spin. At that point you'll be thinking about moving up to the B class anyway. Just my two cents.
------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |