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Topic: Sheaf Secrets
Posted By: KiltBill
Subject: Sheaf Secrets
Date Posted: 4/16/15 at 3:25pm
Was wandering what you think helps your sheaf? I have heard heavy Deadlifts, overweight bags. What have you found that helped you add height to your sheaf.

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Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 4/16/15 at 7:38pm
Not throwing it until competition. Practicing sheaf very overated(+its a stupid event that should be banned/any games I throw or AD bans the sheaf and either throws a second stone or second hammer)

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Posted By: grasshopper
Date Posted: 4/16/15 at 7:46pm
I would say snatch.   It feels more like a snatch than anything else for me.

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Posted By: Hapy
Date Posted: 4/16/15 at 8:33pm
There are two things I think about when throwing sheaf - the amount of rotational power I am putting on the bag, and then the amount of verticality I put on it.

Some guys are extremely strong on the rotational end of things - Harrison Bailey comes to my mind in particular - he would stand further away from the bar than the height and launch it like a rocket - still making 34' with the 20b bag.

Others have tremendous vertical pop - Don Stewart for example.  He stands almost right under the bar, and just launches it virtually straight up into the air.

So - knowing how your style is, you may want to work on different aspects here.  For me to throw the highest, I have to really remind myself to get vertical - Tony's recommendation of snatch seems pretty close to what I would say as well.  But if your style dictates that you are a rotational "torque" thrower, then maybe things like plate twists, medicine ball throws or overweight hammer rotations might be your best bet.

I definitely would not recommend throwing an overweight sheaf - this will mess with your timing/aim (at least it would with mine, which is always suspect for me anyhow).

Also, YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG WITH HEAVY DEADS, go get some!




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Posted By: getyoukilt
Date Posted: 4/17/15 at 5:19am
Hapy's breakdown is spot on. For rotation I like hammer winds, alternating sides. Also low cables, mimicking the pulls for various events. For vertical, its hard to beat hang cleans, I don't worry too much about the form, just the pull. As I get older , I seem to get better results from trying to move weight faster rather than heavier. Get with me at Ormond, and I will show you everything I know about the sheaf. ........OK .....I will show you the two things I know about the sheaf........and they may be the same thing.

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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 4/17/15 at 7:47am
Originally posted by Hapy Hapy wrote:

There are two things I think about when throwing sheaf - the amount of rotational power I am putting on the bag, and then the amount of verticality I put on it.

Some guys are extremely strong on the rotational end of things - Harrison Bailey comes to my mind in particular - he would stand further away from the bar than the height and launch it like a rocket - still making 34' with the 20b bag.

Others have tremendous vertical pop - Don Stewart for example.  He stands almost right under the bar, and just launches it virtually straight up into the air.

So - knowing how your style is, you may want to work on different aspects here.  For me to throw the highest, I have to really remind myself to get vertical - Tony's recommendation of snatch seems pretty close to what I would say as well.  But if your style dictates that you are a rotational "torque" thrower, then maybe things like plate twists, medicine ball throws or overweight hammer rotations might be your best bet.

I definitely would not recommend throwing an overweight sheaf - this will mess with your timing/aim (at least it would with mine, which is always suspect for me anyhow).

Also, YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG WITH HEAVY DEADS, go get some!





^^  I love this post. 



That said, most of us are likely strong enough to throw the sheaf really high, so make sure the technique side of it is buttoned up. 


Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 4/17/15 at 11:09am
Originally posted by grasshopper grasshopper wrote:

I would say snatch.   It feels more like a snatch than anything else for me.

Damn right, sheaf always improves with more snatch.


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Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 4/17/15 at 2:37pm
Life improves with more snatch.


Posted By: TheJeff696
Date Posted: 4/17/15 at 9:17pm


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Posted By: Braidy Miller
Date Posted: 4/26/15 at 2:36pm
It's about technique and timing just like all the other events so you need to practice. I usually throw an 18lb bag. ( a lot )
With that said, I have found when my power snatch and deadlifts are up, I throw higher.



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