Celtic Classic
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Topic: Celtic Classic
Posted By: kover
Subject: Celtic Classic
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 6:50am
| Well I guess my ole stupid ky brain could not find the topic on this board where the celtic was discussed. Anyway congrats to larry brock on a fine weekend of throwing. He was on fire all day. A great comp that came right down to the wire. |
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 7:00am
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What? the superbowl of highland games and you think that people on a highland games forum care about that? looooooooooooooool! But there was a quick thread, it's on page 263 now. Seriously though, congrats to Brock for being that NATIONAL CHAMPION. The throws were big all weekend. I mean look at the winning throws... BS - 42+ OS - 55+ 56 - 47+ 28 - 92+ HH - 117+ LH - 140+ Sheaf - 34+ WOB - 18'
Wow. ------------- |
Posted By: kover
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 7:11am
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Geeeee I wonder Craig why theres a pro board? I find it a little odd that very little mention of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP has taken place on this forum. The mr olympia took place this weekend and i bet you the bodybuilding boards are all fired up with stuff about who won and who should have won. |
Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:08am
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OK KO...a couple of us(Roy and myself) were anxiuosly awaiting the resulots saturday and sunday and posted such but we had no answers-figured all the highlights were on the pro board...hey who did win the Olympia?? ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:08am
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Before this thread, there were 20 posts in two threads
on the Celtic Classic, not including preview stuff. Very few people on the board were there; only the highlights have been posted, not the full results; no video is available yet; photos of only two events are available; and only three of the participants have said anything about it. Without input from the people who were there - i.e., the pros - there's not much to talk about. For example, you said "a great comp that came right down to the wire." Really? Cool. That information wasn't available to us before now. How close was it over the last couple of events? I did see that Sean Betz edged out Larry Brock in the 28 (I'm assuming it was the final event, as usual), but Mr. Bowflex won the overall anyway. How close were they? What kind of throw would Sean have needed to take the win - something reachable, or something like 100+? How close behind was Ryan? How did the crowd react to this? You're right, there's lots to talk about, and I think there are people interested in talking about it, but we need some basic info to work with. And that has to come from the people who were there. That's true about a lot of things. For example, the guy who just took second place in the World's Strongest Man also happens to be a thrower, who has managed to beat some of the biggest names in our sport at a few games over the past couple of years. I happen to find that interesting. I'd like to know more - is he a fluke, or a guy who might some day be the first since Capes to hold world titles in both sports? I know there are at least a couple of people who post here who have competed against him, but they haven't bothered to say anything. Blame us for the crap, sure, but don't blame us for not talking about something if y'all won't, either. |
Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:11am
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who took second in WSM Adam ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: Chapman
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:13am
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This is completely from an interested party. I have to agree with agm on this...I would love to know more about the Celtic, however, our community is not like Bodybuilding where they have recaps during the show, after the show and then all that info gets printed into four different publications for general consumption. Most of us, myself included, only have this website where we can find out about the games. Maybe it is time for us to have someone do reports on the games with more of an insider flavor on how everything went down. Again, I am with agm on this and I would like to know how everything went down. But with limited publicity most of us will only be able to read small excerpts and then look at the numbers at the end. my .02 ------------- Jeff Chapman www.indycrossfit.com www.hoosierscots.com |
Posted By: Ali.G
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:25am
| Me and Adam not there this year and the whole thing falls apart. Who`s got the results???????????? |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:37am
 ------------- Average joe |
agm_ wrote:Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:38am
Sebastian Wenta, a Polish shot (and maybe discus?) guy. He's also done well in some games, but I don't know if those were traditional games or included strongman events. |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:52am
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Update: Oh snap! http://killingames.co.uk/Results/results2007.htm#Pix - http://killingames.co.uk/Results/results2007.htm#Pix ------------- Average joe |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:53am
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Adam is totally right, so ill try to put together a lil something til the results get posted. As most know, or maybe dont know, the Celtic always kicks off on friday night with a caber for distance challenge event. A short light stick, with a line painted for the toss. furthest point gets measured. All of us try a different variety of runs, various timing on the pull, agles to try and get it downhill, etc.... it's a fun event, and one i have historically been terrible at. with luck on my side, i squeak a win out here, with pretty much everyone within a few feet. Saturday, we threw the light hammer, braemar stone, 56 wfd, caber, sheaf. Hammer as the first event is not fun. Brock and KO open up on fire, both going 137+. Betz in the 130 range, quite a few 120s. KO leads until the last round, brock blasts a 140+, Betz does some catching up at 134+. Braemar stone i felt good about, i opened big only to foul it. Lots of people going 40+ (with a 24+lb. stone), so it's pretty tight. I go 41'8 for the win, and add a foot on extras. The field records are Peturs, so we can forget about ever chasing those down. 56 wfd brock with a 47+ on his last to take the win. RV and KO around 45, irrc, sean with 44+, and i *think* everyone else was over 40. Sheaf - HB3 can throw some serious sheaf. him and ryan at 34, wow, that's high. Will BArron and DAve Barron both with monster sheafs days, and over 30. KO was sitting in 3rd at this point, fails to clear 28' and drops to 7th. Caber - a fairly easy stick with lots of turns. nothing really exciting. multiple 12:00s. A request was made for a bigger stick next year. Zolk steps in a hole, rolls his ankle all kinds of nasty. ends up being ok, comes back and kills the stick. Sunday we thew heavy hammer, open stone, 56 WOB, 28 wfd and a challenge caber. Brock owns the hammers, with a big 117 ftw. KO not far behind at 114, betz, HB, RV, all in the 110ish range. Open stone - RV opens at 55+, wow. Lots o 50+ throws, KO with a huge 51+. I go 51 on my first, and 55+ on the next to take the win. 56 WOB, as Will had said previously, 16' will get you last place. Myself, Dave Barron, and Zolk were the only standers in the bunch. With the exception of Dave Brown and his side style at the lower heights, which is totally badass. Zolk gets a 17 stand, i go 16'6", HB3 spins his way to 18' and the win, Brock, KO, and Betz, right behind. RV loses points here, and tightens up the top 3, who have pulled away from everyone. 28wfd - its between brock, betz, and vierra at this point, with brock just needing a "normal" throw for him to keep the lead. He gets it at 91+, sean goes 92+ and takes a few cracks at the WR, RV up there as well, WB goes 83, Dave Brown 82, KO 85. Challenge caber - same caber as the day before, everyone tired and dead, lots of turns, no real excitement here. I dunno who has the results, but even those of us that were there are anxiously awaiting to see. For me, i'd like to imagine for a moment that i was healthy enough to throw hammers, and see what coulda been. It all played out like this: 1. Brock 2. Betz 3. Vierra 4. KO 5. HB3 6. Dave Barron 7. C. Smith 8. Dave Brown 9. Zolk 10. Will Barron
well, how'd i do? ------------- |
Posted By: Steve Conway
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:54am
 KO, I started a Celtic thread a few weeks back. The Celtic is a pro games only, as AGM said; if you guys don't post about the results, etc., we have nothing to comment on... I'll assume you all were too busy chatting on the pro board 
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Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:00am
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thanks cool one.. ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:04am
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The very same Sebastian Wenta that I nominated, on this very board, for a slot at the World's in Pleasanton a few years ago (as I recall Steve tried to get him but there was a scheduling issue). ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: Chapman
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:06am
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Awesome recap. Thanks. Can you describe the side style used for WOB by Brown. Coming from a relative nebie to the sport...what is it about your hammer throwing that drags you down? ------------- Jeff Chapman www.indycrossfit.com www.hoosierscots.com |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:21am
Not bad, not bad. Now just do that every week... I missed the past couple of years, but I've been to Classic about a dozen times. Sometimes the competition has been fierce, sometimes the fact that it's late in the season and everyone is tired has been pretty obvious, with decent but unexceptional throws. Since it was named the national championships, it looks like those days are gone. I won't be missing any more! I just compared those results to the rankings (since Kurt hasn't rolled over to next year's Bethlehem qualifying), and it's pretty close in terms of placings - Ryan dropped two slots, and Craig and Mike Z. swapped places. Final numbers seem to be close to qualifying numbers, too. That says a lot about the ranking system, but also about people throwing at or near their best on the big day. Very impressive, folks. The organizers claimed the overall festival may have had their highest attendance yet. How did it look from the field? Was the crowd decent? I'm guessing HB3 got them rocking on the sheaf and WOB - home-town guy on the easiest to follow events. |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:25am
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KO- We're doers/athletes....not watchers/fans on this board. I love to watch you pro boyz jack stuff, but I'd MUCH rather throw myself . I WOULDN"T pay to go to a game and watch you studs toss if I can toss myself anywhere - even practice.Sure I'm INTERESTED in who wins ya'lls contests(only because I've met lots of ya'll and like you personally) , but ya'll are a very small elite club that 99% of us have NO chance of being in and your tosses usually are so much better than ours that it seems unreal .I care alot more about how Don or Myles throws than ya'll. Any club I can't get in doesn't really interest me - I'm an American- it's ALL about me............like Adam says , do a recap and let us enjoy the experience through you - 'cause almost none of us have a prayer of even getting past the ropes. .......This is NOT a criticism of pros - just one opinion of why we(ams) aren't like bunch of sychophantic(sp) bodybuilder wanna-bes.................we ARE tossers - just not as good as ya'll. |
Posted By: Larry Satchwell
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:30am
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Great recap Craig. I was hoping someone would post something like this. I was on the board both Saturday and Sunday nights with very little said. Old pros want to know!
Satch |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:32am
Speak for yourself. There are a bunch, myself included, of fans on this board. One of the coolest things that happened to me all weekend happened while i was sitting in the airport on Monday. Phone rings and i look down to see that it's Ken Lowther calling me. He's calling to give me congrats on my stones, from one big stone thrower to another i guess. That is a retired thrower, and now obviously a fan who still reads the board. That phone call made my day. ------------- |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:33am
NOW that's a recap! Thanks. 
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:36am
Cool One - speaking for myself then. Hell, I don't watch football either................."never mind"....done in my best Gilda Radner voice.
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:36am
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The side style is just what you think it is. Left shoulder facing the bar, swing the weight on your right side and throw it over. It's not my hammer throwing that drags me down, it's my body, lol! I have a torn hip flexor, so i had to throw the hammer with no blades, and when i release 90% of my weight is all on my right leg. With Celtic being decathalon scoring, i knew it was gonna hurt me bad. I took one throw in both hammers and passed all the other attempts. I eeked out a 103+ and 82+ this way. I hope to be healed and ready by next season. ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:38am
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Really? I'll have you know i check the scores every monday to see if Mike Baab has thrown anything far. Along with everyone else. ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:41am
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I think it does as well.
The festival was indeed packed. The weather could not have been any better, which im sure was a huge contributor. And, of course, HB3 had the crowd jacked! ------------- |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:47am
| I am now an official Coool One fanclub member -now where can I get some cool tats?and blonde hair dye? and cool sox? and stronger?and younger?and better lookin'?a flat stomach?a young strong wifey? Let's get COOOOOOOOOOOOL !!! (great idea for a slogan).................smart-ass over - Craig - I find you to be an atypical pro - do you think the rest of your pro buddies feel the same(as fans?) .........I know in football , some of the guys were HUGE fans of anything football/sport/ESPN and some did it for the $$$ and could care less about college football/sports in general. |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:53am
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Are you kidding me? Half the time after a games we end up in Ryan's hotel room watching throwing videos. Seriously, one time we spent half an hour just comparing Ali Gunn's hammer technique to Bruce Aitken's. We live for this stuff. ------------- Average joe |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 9:54am
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Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Your membership packet is in the mail Baab! As for the other Pros, you may be right about that, i can't answer for them. Interesting though... ------------- |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:02am
OK, so in a six-event games, no strongman stuff included, this guy beats the top three at Bethlehem and ties the current world champion. Two months later, he's second in the WSM. So why is his name almost never mentioned here? |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:13am
| OK,OK,OK....where can I get RED hair dye?calf implants? a really laid back cool attitude?a little red-headed brother to follow me around? friends in Scotland? that stiff standup just got laid hair look? |
Posted By: =Travis=
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:27am
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Thanks for the recap Craig. I'm a newbie with only my second games coming up this weekend but I am also a fan of what's going on. I looked for info on the Celtic all weekend and am glad to see it. Even though I'll be throwing this weekend, I'll still be a fan and interested in the pro throws on the field just because of some of the awe inspiring throws I'll get to see. ------------- |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:31am
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Aw hell Travis...they put their kilts on one leg at a time,too.
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Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:33am
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Fantastic recap. Some of these numbers are just numbing. Everyone does 16 in WOB? 140 light? 92 LW? Insane stuff there. Any new donut photos? Hey Mike, who says anyone is dying the hair blonde? ------------- Mule Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements |
Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:44am
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A few of us ended up in Ryan's hotel room watching throwing videos and discussing throwing technique after the Amateur Worlds as well. The fact that Francis Brebner, who personally knew and threw with all of the guys in the older videos, was there as well made it even cooler. Ryan must watch A LOT of video. Perhaps more of us should do the same?
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:51am
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Hack- I KNOW that you're a natural blonde(ish kinda silver frosty thing) - The Cool One - wellll......Peter - everytime I watch a video of myself throwing all I can do is wince and wish I was faster
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:58am
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Mike, On the few occasions I have seen videos or pictures of myself throwing, I am often bewildered at how little I actually use my LEGS (which is fine if you are Christian Cantwell, but since I'm not it's an issue). After speaking with Bert and reviewing some footage he took, I am definitely investing in a video recorder before next season and using it extensively. Craig - many thanks for the excellent recap. As noted above, lot of us have been waiting for something like this. |
Posted By: Mike Wills
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 10:59am
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So since the international ranking board is not a reality yet. did the Celtic Classic earn anyone an invitation to the world championships next May?
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 12:01pm
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Brock received the guaranteed invite. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Wills
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 12:06pm
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So what does a brother hillbilly like KO or a meathead like Craig Smiff need to do to get in?
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Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 1:03pm
Excellent recap, Craig. EXCELLENT! 
------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 4:02pm
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OK! l just got lost! How does a recap of the scores at the Celtic not belong in the "General" forum? l can understand how the subject of soccer should go under "Nonsense!"
------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
Posted By: Sean Betz
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 4:22pm
| AGM, none of those games have drug tests. The worlds will. |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 1:06am
Yeah, I was saving that for a follow-up question. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 2:19am
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Wooooooooo! Scores are posted.
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Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 2:30am
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4 huge things jump off the page and show talented these guys are and why they are the US's top pro's 1)closeness of overall race but also from 1-10 in decathalon scoring 2)huge marks in 56wfd 3)huge huge marks in Lwfd 4)WOB..wow..everyone getting 16..wow ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:03am
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Also worth noting how important the caber is. My brother got an 85 degree score on Sunday (challenge) with the same stick as Saturday (competition). If he's done that on Saturday, he takes 7th instead of 10th. I'd still beat him though. ------------- Average joe |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:10am
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yea, but if he turns the stick....he beats you. ------------- |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:13am
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Lalalacanthearyoulalala
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Posted By: will barron
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:15am
I am laughing so hard right now. 
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Posted By: Bert Sorin
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:19am
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Damn, those are some great marks. Everyone was obviously ready for that comp. You guys are bad ass.
------------- In Strength and Throws, Bert |
Posted By: mike pockoski
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 4:19am
| yeah, what bert said. holy crap. well done. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 6:17am
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KO should be good to go. There is a no meathead rule regarding me ;-) ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Wills
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 6:35am
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Maybe you can use the "we need someone from a state bordering WV to represent the area" strategy??? I am trying to get invited as the top - and maybe only current active - WV thrower. I don't like my chances. Vierra (and his wife) think that I am Mike Smith's twin...maybe I can use that angle. ------------- |
Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 7:12am
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We are discussing results, which is the first item mentioned for use in this forum.
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Posted By: hbaileyIII
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 8:44am
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How about the first time anyone can recall 7 guys clearing 30ft in the sheaf in one comp. ------------- HB3 |
Posted By: Mike Wills
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 8:51am
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There are a lot of guys who don't like the sheaf, but when you have several guys who are on, the crowd loves it and its just plain fun.
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Posted By: Larry Satchwell
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 9:12am
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Now this is how this forum is supposed to be and use to be! What marks! That would have been a fun one to watch. HB- I’ve never that many guys over 30’ in the sheaf or over 16’ in the WFH and I’ve been to a few games in my 30 years of involvement. Satch |
Posted By: phatmiked
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:47pm
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Man, I wish I could have come up and watched the Classic. But, I forgot it was last weekend and went down to Williamsburg and had a very mediocre day throwing myself. But, I am definitely going to come out on Saturday at Richmond and watch the big boys. I might even shag, if I am allowed to touch the implements they are using. Seriously, you guys are awesome. Wish I would have gotten started in this sport at a younger age so I would have had more time to try to get as good as the pro's. ------------- |
Posted By: Daniel McKim
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 5:33pm
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Craig, thanks for the great recap man. Great throws fellas, I knew this would be a classic bout ... no pun intended. : ) Hope to throw with more of you pros in the days to come. Thanks for making and keeping our sport at such a high level of athleticism, power and professionalism. >Daniel ------------- http://www.believethrower.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.believethrower.com |
Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/05/07 at 2:53pm
My bad! ------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
That's what comes from not reading the fine print.