Opinions on stones...
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Topic: Opinions on stones...
Posted By: kiltedrussian66
Subject: Opinions on stones...
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 7:01am
| I'm training on the Braemer and open stone. However,I have a 30lb stone..I would like some opinions about this..Is a heavier stone beneficial or detrimental(sp?)..?? |
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 8:51am
| Ruskie - sure...use stones of all sizes/weights to train strength and explosion and the ability to adapt to some of REALLY odd-shaped rocks you'll run across at the games. Try this....pick a rock and do several braemars to get a mark then use your open stone technique to make sure the spin/glide is really helping.Some shotput website I read said that your open should be 115-116% of braemar...ie: a 16lb 40' braemar should result in a 46' open. I like to use big rocks in a stone for height fashion - great for all body explosion. |
Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 9:15am
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good drill I learned(or read about years ago from Coach mac)..wass to go to a football field stand five paces from the uprights stnding put over the crossbar-keep going back at two paces and try again repeat until you fail..I usually do this drill with an open(16 or 17)stone and when I'm having a problem getting height on my stone-two years ago having problems putting over 40 regularly so did this drill for a few weeks and lo and behold my last 5 games hit 42-44 ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 11:28am
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Overhead shots and stones are tremendous power builders, Damn....Need to do them. Thanks guys! ------------- Donate lately? |
Posted By: inkasquinka
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 1:26pm
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One is to take a stone, at least 20 pounds, and in a standing position, with both hands throw the stone outwards over you head. The other is just the same but your toss is backwards over you head. Just don’t drop the stones on your head! For some reason, it hurts!! |
Posted By: Edward
Date Posted: 4/02/05 at 5:09pm
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I've seen Braemar thrown two handed, but which better, put or two-handed? ------------- Ed |
Posted By: AncientOne
Date Posted: 4/03/05 at 1:41am
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Hey- I like to throw'em in this order: BS14lb, BS16lb, BS18lb, BS22lb, Open16lbshot, OS14lb and OS16lb. Good luck with your stones, -Throw'n ta Thrill ------------- Winners are remarkably adept at figuring out what's required to win. |
Posted By: Dave Carl
Date Posted: 4/03/05 at 3:51am
| Is a two handed Braemar a legal throw? |
Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/03/05 at 4:20am
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Yeah, it's good to work with 3 different sizes of stones. The
sizes I work with are a 14lb for speed training, a 17lb for regular
throws, and a 24lb for power. It's good to alternate the three during practice, or do a practice with the mid weight and the light weight, then do a practice with the mid weight and the heavy weighted one. I know the ruskies did tons of stuff with weight changes in their implements, hell I have my kids do it for practice. It helps, that's for sure. ------------- eh... |
Posted By: kiltedrussian66
Date Posted: 4/04/05 at 12:24pm
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I'm thinking since you happen to mention Russian training...kettlebell training should have a huge carry over benefit... I use my Rolling Thunder from Ironmind as a kettlebell also..plus I'm addicted to lifting stones in general.. |
Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/04/05 at 12:48pm
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As a matter of fact, I do incorporate KBs w/ my lifting. Luckily, the college I coach at has them, so I make all my throwers use them. It's funny, they are so simple, yet very beneficial. ------------- eh... |
Posted By: Edward
Date Posted: 4/04/05 at 1:37pm
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I am showing my inexperience. There is no standard size or weight of the stone. The stone must be put with one hand and with the stone remaining against the neck throughout the throw until the release. Any throwing style may be used as long as the rules are followed and the style is deemed safe by the judge. I must have seen the Irish Stone throw being discussed in another thread. ------------- Ed |
Posted By: jluidl
Date Posted: 4/09/05 at 9:54am
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Using heavier and lighter than normal weights are an excellent way to
increase speed and power in the throws. It is a common technique
used in the Olympic throws. There are two important things to remember. Do not use implements that are to far away from the normal weight. About 4 lbs. difference is all you need either way, otherwise it can have a detrimental affect on your form. Second, always end your session using the regulation weight. An open stone session may go like this. Most stones are between 16 lbs. to 18 lbs., so let's say 17 lbs. is normal. 19 lbs. stone x 6 - 8 13 lbs. stone x 12 - 15 17 lbs. stone x 8 The number of repititions can vary depending on the schduled volume and intensity of the workout. If you want to seriously do this, you will have to get some odd size implements made. This may be a bit difficult for the weight for height and distance, but the Old Celt and Bobby Dodd may be able to do it. It may just cost a little more. They do get some odd sizes. For the hammer you can get 14, 16 and 22 lbs. hammer and slide weights down the handle. The trick is keeping them on the handle. You can get sheafs in 16, 20 and 24 lbs. Use 16, 18 and 20 foot cabers. You will need a partner to upright the cabers over 16 feet. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 4/09/05 at 10:25am
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A 24 lb sheaf is a bad idea....that's just asking for injury. Everything else is a good idea though. -C |
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