My hammer sucketh
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Topic: My hammer sucketh
Posted By: JISurfer
Subject: My hammer sucketh
Date Posted: 4/04/05 at 12:54pm
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I might be freaking out, but today was my first full practice with scottish hammer since October, and pulling my paraspinals two weeks ago, but I really suck.
Last year, I left off a little over 90 in practice(I don't have the luxury of using boots w/blades) and 87 in games. Today, I went a whole 75! Talk about consistency, I couldn't throw over it, except for one at 76, and I couldn't throw below it.
It doesn't add up. I have done way more lifting that targets the hip explosion and throwing elxplosion, but it just doesn't convert. Is there any hope?
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Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 1:34am
First, You are just starting to throw. It happens to everyone. Second
you are slightly injured in an area that effects the hammer. Third,
don't 'throw' right now. just do some winds, light releases etc. Don't
measure right now. Worry about long arms.
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Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 2:32am
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Are you throwing Scottish style (Ryan V.) or American style
(Matt Sanford). I switched to the American style load up on the right then one
big pull over the left shoulder it seams to fit my body type and lack of flexibility.
I just could not get the extension and counter balancing down doing the classic
Scottish style.
As for your back muscles I have found than when you injure
one muscle group it is often because of an imbalance in the opposite muscle
group (Abs). I have been using one of those 5 dollar ab wheels (I figured you guys would like her photo better
than mine!) and doing a lot
of http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do;jsessionid=B8FDDC024146195990759ECC86926AB2.ba08?article=315one2 - dumbbell exercises to strengthen my Phat core for the up coming season.
Hactenus Invictus
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 4:37am
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I'm not familiar with those two ways. I just wind the way I did in college with the Oly Hammer. Countering hips, pushing through the front, letting it drift behind me on the wind, and accelerating on the throw with a solid block, just like the Oly Hammer.
Is there any vids of the other two ways?
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Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 5:41am
http://www.vp-prod.com/video/wc0322ham_ms3.mpg - Sanford throwing "American"
I can't find any of the links to Ryan V. or Alister Gun but they use
the more classic style. notice how upright Sanford is and how he
does not arch and lean back when he throws. and it helps to have
C.R.S. Uber power!!!!!
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http://www.uhatv.com/frhhag1.mov - Gun doing the Scottish style
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Posted By: Greg Bell
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 6:28am
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JI,
In 03’ (1st full year competing) I threw 115’ in competition, 118’ in practice. (without blades)
Last year (04’) my best throw in practice or games (with and without boots) was 106’. (and it almost put me in the hospital!)
Pretty discouraging. I didn’t loose any strength. I was practicing more than ever….I just completely lost the feel for the throw.
Eventually it came back…it takes time….To me it’s more mental than anything. (Evidence that I must have lost my mind last year)
GB.
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 7:29am
JISurfer wrote:
(I don't have the luxury of using boots w/blades)
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Umm.......why not? To really get it down, that will be a neccessity.
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 7:43am
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Umm.......why not? To really get it down, that will be a neccessity.
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I honestly know nobody with the tools to make blades and attach 'em to my old hunting boots. It's true, all my friends are skinny computer nerds. We're kind of like Lambda Lambda Lambda, and I am Ogre.
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Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 9:09am
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JISurfer wrote:
It's true, all my friends are skinny computer nerds. We're kind of like Lambda Lambda Lambda, and I am Ogre. |
Roy has the same problem, except he's more like Lamar.
Making hammer blades isn't all that hard, and it'll really pay off once you get used to 'em. Try Tony Dziepak's http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/8682/heavy/equip.htm#hammers - guide to making your own - but you shouldn't have to heat the metal if you have a strong vice.
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Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 9:18am
david barron wrote:
JISurfer wrote:
It's true, all my friends are skinny computer nerds. We're kind of like Lambda Lambda Lambda, and I am Ogre. |
Roy has the same problem, except he's more like Lamar.
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That was a good one I gotta say. 
Problem is you called Dan, Ryan, and Rob nerds. Hamelin will snap people in half for such statements. He'll see you at Fairhill!!!!!!!
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/05/05 at 12:32pm
What thread would be complete w/o a reference to Revenge of the Nerds?
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Posted By: MarkJodyAudrey
Date Posted: 4/06/05 at 4:51am
Josh, Jeff Crouch knew someone who made ours (blades). Maybe he can get you a pair made. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll ask him.
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/06/05 at 7:43am
Yeah man, that would be great. Let me know how much they want for them and we can go from there. Just email me at mailto:BigSouthChamp@Hotmail.com - BigSouthChamp@Hotmail.com Thanks
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Posted By: Tokyo Bill
Date Posted: 4/06/05 at 1:00pm
To date I have had two sets of blades--one flat and one bent.
I made the flat blades with a hacksaw and power drill. (The
junior high school metal shop class I took in 1960 finally paid off.)
Using my jungle boots from the Vietnam era, the hardest part was
drilling through the metal inserts in the boot. The whole
thing was labor intensive but they work. I used 1/4 inch bars and
found some flathead bolts. It may help to have an angled
screwdriver to get at the top of the bolts inside the boot. All
materials available at local Lowes or Home Depot.
Here in Japan I have a friend of a fried who works at a Harley-Davidson
shop and he made a beautiflul set of blades when I showed him the
schematic from the Tony Dziepak website. Any metal shop
should be able to do it for you. Invariablly, the shop guy asks
what you are using the equipment for and it's a good chance to explain
what heavy events are all about.
Good luck
------------- Tokyo Bill
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 4/06/05 at 1:18pm
Heh: I took my boots in to a shoemaker to have the heels lifted
to even out the bottom. The shoemaker's assistant saw me coming,
got wide-eyed and, before I could say anything, said, "You better talk
to Bob [i.e., the boss]."
-Wayne
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 4/06/05 at 1:20pm
By the way, if your hammer distance just seems to die on you, one thing
to look at is your release angle. All things being equal, a
higher release angle means a longer throw (except if you're Bill
Crawford, and then it hits a tree branch we all agreed was impossible
to hit).
-Wayne
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: Dragon
Date Posted: 4/07/05 at 5:40am
Is there really much difference in performance if the blades are bent or if there're straight. Is it worth the extra work to get them nicely bent or curved, if the blades work just as well if there're straight? I'm thinking of making a pair this year, but don't have a way to bend them as of right now. Or is it mostly just a matter of preference?
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 4/07/05 at 6:15am
Ah, well, therein lies an area for serious discussion.
I personally don't use blades, but for practical reasons. My
field at home as such great grass that I could dig in and lie back
against the blades to a ridiculous extent, but most of the competition
fields either start out sandy and weak or end up that way after one
round of throws. Thus, the modest competitive advantage was wiped
out by the complete difference between practice and competition
conditions. The best situation for me might be to practice
without them and compete with them (which would probably be a
disaster: at least I'd have an excuse).
It is my opinion that the blades should point downward into the soil at
something like a 30-45 degree angle. This way, if the turf is
disturbed at the surface, you have a better chance of getting some
leverage from the points being deeper down. This style of blade
is also easier to set and causes less damage on insertion.
-Wayne
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/07/05 at 7:34am
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I know what I need to do with the hammer, ie high and low points, acceleration and drift points, my block, and hammer head speed, but it's kind of hard to know what I am doing wrong w/o someone there.
I do find it more beneficial when I get the chance to throw w/ someone, because they can give me feedback on what I can change the next time.
Hell, I just might be over thinking the whole process.
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Posted By: JISurfer
Date Posted: 4/13/05 at 7:35am
Changed a few things in my start, ie started holding the hammer over my right shoulder, instead of starting with it on the ground. Had 3 solid ones over 80, but average were around 76-77. It's starting to fall in place, sloooooooooowly, but surely.
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