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5/5/12 - throws: stone/wfd/hammer

training

16# stone
*no reverse x 3-4
*step over x 3-4
*full standing x 6-8
*full spin x 6-8

56# wfd
*one turn x 4-6
*full x 4-6

28# wfd
*full x 6-8

22# hammer
*1 wind x 3-4
*2 wind x 2-3
*3 wind x 3-4

16# hammer
*3 wind x 3

meh, not a bad day but not a great day. still have lots of work to do.

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macros = ? calories increased to maintenance, not really keeping track at this point, will start early in the week
 
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5/7/12 - throws: wfd

training

56# wfd
*1 turn x 8, best of 37
*full x 16-20, best of 39, avg 38

playing with the cast. Need faster feet on the turn. Noticed I'm drifting forward about a foot and a half and its eating up way too much room for my sprint. Will be focusing on this to get it dialed in. Came down with a cold or something over the weekend. Trying to shake it by this weekend for the Prescott games.

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5/8/12 - throws: stone/hammer

training

12# shotput
*standing x 5-8
*full spin x 8-10

16# hammer
*1 wind x 5
*2 wind x 3-5
*3 wind x 6-8

working on some things on my standing tosses, trying to get better balance/center of gravity as it seems I am missing something when I put my weight over my right so trying to start more double posted and get lower. Seems to be workign, hit a long of 49' standing. Not great by any means, but it'll do for now.

Worked some hammer afterwards, trying to fix my delivery as it seems for some reason I have started pulling in on the finish and I can't figure out why. More work to do. Feeling pretty shitty from this cold so I'm going to take wed, thurs & fri off to heal up for the games on Saturday.

not paying attention to maros since I'm sick.
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5/12/12 - Prescott Highland Games

Prescott Highland Games

24.5# BS- 36+ (2nd)
16# OS- 49+, 51'0'5" on extras PR (1st)
HWD- 39+ (1st)
LWD- 78+, 81'5 on extras PR (1st)
HH- 101'10" PR, 104'1" on extras PR (1st)
LH- 119+ (2nd)
Caber- 11:30 (18', 100#) (2nd)
WOB- 15 standing (tied for 2nd)

Overall = 1st w/ 12.5pts

BS was awful. I hate that stone and anybody that's ever thrown in AZ does to. Need to get a new stone, I'll be working with the AD to make this happen. Went 37+ with it last year, so this should've gone nearly 40, just couldn't get a hold of it.

OS was good. I was a bit nervous about debuting my full spin, especially considering all of the issues I've had with my groin (which, I might add, I haven't had in over a month now). First throw I under-rotated and ended up walking out of the box. Second dropped at 47', third dropped at 49'. Took extras and my first extra was a sweet pr out at 51'. At this point I just wanted to make my left foot faster so I could get a better wrap and more build up. Lost my balance on the delivery and fell over on my 2nd extra. On my 3rd extra I got my left around so fast I just didn't know what to do. Need more practice, more reps.

HWD was a shitshow. 39+ is good, but I had a huge throw lingering in me. First issue I had was the bobby dodd handle was BRAND NEW. Not a lick of leftover tacky or anything on it. I'm not typically one to complain, but this thing was slick and very tough to hold onto, even with a hook grip. Moving on, I just wasn't able to stay in the back of the box after my first turn. I was driving hard forward hard. Need to work on this and fix it. I have an idea as to what the problem is: when I cast it, it's casting forward which is pulling me forward. I need to either canter back harder or change the direction of the cast. Tough to explain but I think you'll see what I mean in the video.

LWD was also a shitshow, with the exception of one throw, a sweet PR at 81'5". Need to work on this a lot. I am rotating around the weight and this just isn't working. My finish is off, the sprint is off. The one throw that it all came together on was my 81' throw, in which I just focused on driving it FORWARD.

HH was probably my highlight of the day. With the exception of keeping that left arm straight, they look pretty flawless to me. Right knee is driving, Getting long and great extension, but I'm pulling in just a tad during extension and it's costing me 3-4" which translates to alot on the field. Dropped 4 out over 100' with the best of 104'1". Couldn't be happier, previous PR was 99'10.

LH was not great. If I was doing anything wrong on heavy, it echoed profusely on light. Was pulling in even more for some reason and just wasn't getting it moving fast. Heavy took a lot of juice out of me and I felt it here. I need to learn when to call it on extras.

Caber afterwards then WOB. WOB was terrible. Everybody was drained and exhausted and just wanted this to be over with. I took an easy pull at 15 and made it. Then up to 16. 2/3 pulls were early and out in front, not that they even had the height. Another was timed right but just not enough juice and tapped the bar.

Overall I'm happy. A games with a PR is good, let alone 3 PRs. Still much work to be done. Was still pretty sick going into the games and pulled out some clutch throws when I needed to. I've got a strongman next weekend then a sweet nearly 10 week break before the Flagstaff games July 21st. Time to get lean, fast and explosive.

Thanks to my sponsor Stewart and Torgerson Injury Law (http://www.1800ourlawyer.com/) for helping me out with everything they do. Nobody wants to get into an auto accident, but if you are unfortunate enough to, give them a shout. Professionalism, empathy and integrity are key qualities required to a run great business of thise genre, and Tod and Bethany possess them both. Thanks to sport kilt for keeping me looking good, though I wish they had my family's tartan.. haha. Thanks to Rich Wells who took over the AD spot last minute. He ran a good games and looks like he's up to 3 out of the 4 games in AZ now. Taking over buddy!! Thanks to my wife for her support and confidence. Thanks to my teammate Adam Brezina for pushing me to hit some PRs and he hit some of his own. Thanks to the other A class guy Brandon Hall for pushing me which resulted in some big tosses out of both of us. Huge things to come of this guy soon. Now it's time to get back to work so I don't get trampled in Flag. There's this B class guy that dropped a 121' light hammer and fouled a 49' standing ostone. FML I need to practice.
 

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Huge game. 

gl at the strongman next week.  any cool events?
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Oh, and don't mind this post, I just have to keep my notes somewhere. 

Originally posted by jsully on 3/16/12 jsully on 3/16/12 wrote:

] I should be out to 55' soon enough


Originally posted by jsully on 3/25/12 jsully on 3/25/12 wrote:

] os 47+


Originally posted by jsully on 4/15/12 jsully on 4/15/12 wrote:

] os - 43'6"


Originally posted by jsully on 5/12/12 jsully on 5/12/12 wrote:

] 16# OS- 51'0'5"
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LOL @ your reminder..
 
let me remind you:
 
Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

I should be out to 55' soon enough with the south african.
 
since I decided to give the full spin another try, the prior sentence is void, no?.... HOWEVER.. I am still confident I will hit 55 this season with the full spin. Please, hold me to that. :D
 

strongman events are going to be max axle c&p, yoke carry/chain drag medley, husafell carry for distance, push pull medley (3 dbs working up to 150lbs for pushes.. 525 bar, 635 trap bar, 330lb sandbag for pulls) then max atlas stone (2 attempts)..
 
Shooting for a 335+ axle, after that I'm going to suck on the yoke and husafell, then hopefully will makeup the points on the push/pull medley and gunning for the 410 atlas stone for 2 reps. Lets see how it pans out. Outside of the ONE axle c&p training session I did 2 months ago, I haven't trained for this one bit... stupid, but it should be fun regardless. I'm not expecting to do well as these guys I'm going against are just monsters, just looking have fun with some friends and rock my kilt. Maybe see if I can convert a couple of them to throwers or have them sign up for my NAHA meet in August.
 
 
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Big, big day!  Awesome work!  You are setting the pace.
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I <3 me some Jake Sullivan, but son, I'd have side-fouled every freakin stone you threw Smile
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Void?  lol, it should be 57' now since you added a rotation!  Wink

Nice, that's a big atlas stone, they didn't even have them 400+ back in my day...

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thanks fellas..
 
LOL Sean, one of the stones was good, I think the 49' one.. but yeah, the others were iffy. I guess it all comes down to if you foul someone for stepping on the line or past the line. I was certainly on the line on most of them.
 
I'd have side-fouled my 81' lwfd. haha.



Craig, that 410 stone is a beast. Never loaded it before but I'm gonna give it hell. I hit the 360 stone or a triple in my last comp and it wasn't too tough so I think the 410 is there.. we'll see, lol..
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

There's this B class guy that dropped a 121' light hammer and fouled a 49' standing ostone. FML I need to practice.


Heh, I know who this is... And he is an A class guy now. Not my problem anymore!
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

thanks fellas..
 
LOL Sean, one of the stones was good, I think the 49' one.. but yeah, the others were iffy. I guess it all comes down to if you foul someone for stepping on the line or past the line. I was certainly on the line on most of them.
 
I'd have side-fouled my 81' lwfd. haha.



Craig, that 410 stone is a beast. Never loaded it before but I'm gonna give it hell. I hit the 360 stone or a triple in my last comp and it wasn't too tough so I think the 410 is there.. we'll see, lol..
Ahahaha. Never argue with the judge. Especially when he's handing out gifts.
 
410 stone is beastly. Hell, a 360 stone is monster.
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sean- that 410 stone was beastly FOR SHOOOOOORE
 
mike- I hope so man, I want to witness some of these bombs I've been reading about. You're doing great this year!!
 
ok.. big update here
 

5/14/12 - speed 4.1: squat/bench

training

500m warmup - 1:49

speed squat - 135x10, 185x5
*225x3 @ 3.33
*275x3 @ 3.09
*315x3 @ 2.59
*315x3 @ 2.59
*315x3 @ 2.59
*315x3 @ 2.47
*315x3 @ 2.59
*315x3 @ 2.47
*315x3 @ 2.47
*315x3 @ 2.47
*315x3 @ 2.35
*315x3 @ 2.35

gms- 225x10, 245x10x2

speed bench- 135x10, 185x10
*205x3 @ 2.84
*205x3 @ 2.72
*205x3 @ 2.96
*205x3 @ 2.96
*215x3 @ 2.72
*215x3 @ 2.84
*215x3 @ 2.59
225x20

dips- bw+efs mini x10x3

not recovered from the games, very stiff and slow but felt pretty good once I got warmed up

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macros = ?
 
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5/15/12 - speed 4.2: deads/push press

training

500m warmup row in 1:45

speed deads- 135x10, 225x8
*275x3 @ 3.21
*275x3 @ 3.58
*315x3 @ 3.09
*315x3 @ 3.09
*365x3 @ 2.84
*365x3 @ 2.72
*365x3 @ 2.72
*365x3 @ 2.72
*365x3 @ 2.72
*365x3 @ 2.84
*365x3 @ 2.72
*365x3 @ 2.72

pullups- bw x10, bw x8x5 = 50 total

speed push press- 135x5
*135x3 @ 5.10
*185x3 @ 4.82
*185x3 @ 4.82
*185x3 @ 4.82
*185x3 @ 4.94
*185x3 @ 4.82
*185x3 @ 5.07

one arm cable rows- 150x8, 180x8

done and done.. deads felt great, OHPs did not. Very stiff and "meh" feeling on the ohps. Cut them off and finished out some rows before heading out

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5/17/12 - throws: stone/wfd

training

16# stone
*standing x 8-10
*full spin x 8-10

worked on getting better separation on the standing tosses.. also worked on keeping my head up a bit more on the delivery on the full spin. Started flattening out the throw though, need to find a nice spot in between. Need more work.

56# wfd
*full x 8-10

worked on my cast primarily. Was able to fix my footwork so I'm not drifting so far ahead after the cast, however, now I'm drifting incredibly to the left. Always something to work on, right? Long of 39 here with minimal effort, once I get this cast fixed 100%, good things to come. Also came to the realization that with my 28, my sprint is too fast. I'm building up so much speed on the sprint I can't add any more to it on the finish. I'm going to try slowing my sprint down and getting more explosive on the finish. Then slowly adding overall speed to it.

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macros = ?? start dieting again next week, strongman coming up this weekend on 5/19
 
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5/19/12 - Az Summer Scorcher II Strongman

5/19/12 - Az Summer Scorcher II Strongman
max axle clean & press- went 303, 323, fail @ 333
650 yoke + 750 chain drag medley (60sec) x 50ft each- finished yoke, died out 1/2 on drag
290lb husafell stone- 80ft
push/pull medley (60sec)- completed 545dl -> 115 monster db -> 645 trap bar 18" dl -> 130lb monster db before time ended
max atlas stone to 55" bar- 410x miss

overall 5th (I think)

Started the day pretty good. Got 2nd on the first event and the guy that beat me nailed a sweet 343. I went for 333 and missed it. It was there, just missed it. Next up was the yoke. Definitely not what I was expecting. It felt way heavier than I thought and was just brutal to move with it. Inexperience at its best. Finished the yoke and ran back for the chain. Got about 10 steps and my quads just locked up. I managed to push through another 10 seconds or so but dropped it about 3 seconds before time was up. Afterwards was the husafell. This was akward as shit. Picked it up, took 2 passes and dropped it. Again, inexperience. Next up was the push pull medley. I was a bit excited for this as I thought I would do well. The only thing I was uncertain about was the 150lb db.. but I was a bit nervous about all the dbs as I've never done a monster db before. Definitely a bit more akward than I thad thought. I hit the first deadlift of 545. Harder than expected, but pretty easy. Onto the 115lb db, cleaned it no problem. Pressed it but lost it, brought it back down and pressed it again. Onto the 645 18" trap bar deadlift. Slow to get it started but not too bad. Next up was the 130lb db. Same as the 115, missed the first try, slammed it the second. I went over to the 325lb sandbag load (52") and just as I was about to lap it I ran out of time. I think I got 4th in that event. Not what I wanted, but not terrible either. With all of that said, the last event was the atlas stones. It was Wessels rules on the stones and I knew that everyone was going to open with the 360lb stone. I was sitting at 5th going into it so I decided to take a chance and open with the 410lb stone. If I got the stone, it would give me the points I needed to possible get 3rd overall, but if I missed it... well I'm already in 5th, it's not like it matters.. haha. So I tried to stay nice and warmed up while everyone else was taking their attempts. Finally I was up. I lapped the stone, got a really good grip on it and started pushing. I got the stone up about as high as I thought I needed and started to push it forward when I clipped the bar with the bottom of the stone. Stone started coming back and I just didn't have the juice to save it. Oh well. Almost only counts in horse-shoes and hand grenades. haha.

meh, not happy with my performance, but considering I practiced a 530 yoke once and an axle c&p once, I can't be too disappointed. You get out of it what you put into it and I did just that. No excuses, I was ill-prepared. I did have fun though.

Back to the grind.
 
 
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5/22/12 - strength 1.1: squat/bench

am weight= 275lbs

training

squats- 135x10, 225x5, 315x5, 405x2, 405x3, 365x5, 385x5, 405x5, 435x1
bench- 135x10, 225x5, 275x5, 295x5, 315x4

bleggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... guessing I'm still crushed from the strongman. Couple that with not having anything over 4 bills on my back since early feb and there was just nothing in there. Using this as a transition week and will try to hit Rx weights next week.

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macros = ? went out with the mrs and in-laws for dinner
monday 5/21/12 = 51/160/258 (f/c/p) 2104cals
 
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5/23/12 - throws: wfd

training

28# wfd
* 1turn x8, best of 70

56# wfd
*1 turn x8, best of 36
*full x10-12, best of 39

28# wfd
*full x6-8, best of 74

Not bad. Spent a lot of time on my cast. Trying to stay patient on my first turn, waiting until the weight gets to about 12 before moving my feet. Helped alot, but need a lot more reps. Also focused on a hard straight sprint with a big finish. It's coming together.

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macros = 40/88/264 (f/c/p) 1760cals ... too low
 
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5/24/12 - strength 1.2: deads/push press

training

deads- 135x5, 225x5, 315x5, 405x5, 455x5, 515x5
push press- 135x8, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 255x5
pullups- BWx10, 8, 8, 10
db csr- 100x8x3

not bad, conditioning is terrible, really need to work on this. Again just using this as a transition week to get back into heavy stuff. Next week will try to hit more of the Rx sets/reps

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macros = 62/150/267 (f/c/p) 2168cals
 
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5/25/12 - throws: stones

bodyweight = 275lbs

training

16# stone
*stand x 25-30
*full spin x 15-20

great session today. Slowed it down on the standing tosses and focused on getting my hips through first, working on separation and a big pop with my left. Felt pretty good, was hitting 41-42 consistently. Def a lot more in the tank once I get this back on track.

for the full spin, was focusing on a tight turn coming out of the back as I was leaning a bit too much causing me to lose my balance to the right of the trig. Once that was fixed, I focused on a quick drive and active right leg. Once that started getting better I focused on a faster left leg and held the stone back as long as I could to separate. Still lots of stuff to work on, but I'm def making some progress. Nailed about 7 tosses over 50 ft with 2 at 51+ and one at 52ft. Still 7 1/2 weeks of training until Flagstaff games roll around. 55ft may be in order, then I'll get Mr Smith off my back, lulz..

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5/29/12 - squat / bench

training

1.46 mile warmup on stationary bike

squats- bar x10, 135x10, 225x5, 315x5, 365x5, 385x5, 405x5, 435x5
bench- 135x12, 225x5, 275x5, 295x5, 315x5x2
rdl- 225x10, 275x10, 345x10
dips- bwx10, +mini band x10, +2 bands x10

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macros = 42/220/246 (p/c/f) 2473cals
 
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5/30/12 - throws: hammer/lwfd

training

16# hammer
*1 wind x4, best of 92
*2 wind x1, hammer broke

28# wfd
*full x10-12, best of 77

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macros = 56/176/246 (f/c/p) 2194cals
 
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6/1/12 - lifting: deads/ohp + throws: stones/wfd

am weight= 275.4

am training

push press- 95x10, 135x8, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 255x5x2
deads- 135x10, 225x5, 315x5, 405x5, 515x5
pullups- bw x10x3
rows- 275x8x2, 325x6

pm training

16# stone
*step over x4-6
*full spin x 4-6

28# wfd
*1 turn x6-8
*full x6-8, best of 74

decent weight session, meh throws session..

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macros = cheat meal at lunch, lots of pizza
 
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6/2/12 - throws: stone/wfd/hammer

training

16# stone
*step over x8-10, best of 42
*full spin x8-10, best of 52

56# wfd x8-10, best of 44
28# wfd x8-10, best of 83

16# hammer
*1 wind x3, best of 98
*2 wind x4, best of 114
*3 wind x8-10, best of 117

lots of new things today. First with the stones, working a more active block, pulling in hard with that left arm. Hit a couple of them good and felt how it translates. On wfd, I finally felt the drive to zero. After the first turn I sink and push my hips hard, this accellerates the weight down to zero and gets an even bigger explosion for the sprint. Did the same thing on the finish. Was hitting 41+ with less effort and a huge toss at 44' to finish off hwd. Same thing with lwd, but much faster. Need lots more reps to make this consistent. Hammer felt good, getting a good explosion and pop. Learning how to drop my hips faster and "chop" the ball down to accellerate it off my right side. Big things to come soon.

On a side note, started throwing at 630am, finished at 930a. Breakfast before throws was 2 scoops whey, 2 bananas and I sipped a 32oz gatorade diluted into a gallon of water throughout the throws session. Also took 400mg caffeine. This was a great throws session so I wanted to make a note of the nutrition going into it.

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macros = 62/153/270 (f/c/p) 2193cals
 
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6/4/12 - conditioning

training

rode my MTB 14 miles into work, took about 50-55mins with traffic. nothing serious here, but it felt good to get my lungs working

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macros = 56/156/248 (f/c/p) 2108cals
sunday 6/3/12 = 68/160/241 (f/c/p) 2212cals
 
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6/5/12 - lifting: squat/bench & throws: Lhammer

am weight= 270.8lbs

am training

squats- 135x10, 225x5, 315x3, 365x5, 405x5, 455x1x2
bench- 135x10, 225x5, 275x3, 315x3, 365x1, 315x5, 325x3
dips- +efs mini x10, +2 mini x10x2
GMs- 225x10, 275x10x2

meh, decent sesh I suppose. Energy was low, still getting used to the whole morning workout thing. Switching back to my old training protocol as it was much more enjoyable and yielded great results last year when I was dieting. Will be working up to a heavy single, then droppign down to 85-90% for a copule sets of 3-5 before moving on.

pm training

16# hammer
*1 wind x6, best of 93'
*2 wind x7, best of 111'
*3 wind x5, best of 116'

lots more in the tank. Was working on driving my knee as the ball is moving left, then dropping my hips hard as the ball is coming around my right side. Started getting nice and loose and my spray tack kept giving on me. Lost the hammer 4 times and quit. Do not use the locktite spray tack, stick with 3M 77 spray if you're going that route

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I'll update my log later, but for now here's a short vid from wednesday's weights.. 43' hwfd
 
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

I'll update my log later, but for now here's a short vid from wednesday's weights.. 43' hwfd
 

"On wfd, I finally felt the drive to zero. After the first turn I sink and push my hips hard, this accellerates the weight down to zero and gets an even bigger explosion for the sprint. Did the same thing on the finish. "

J - Thanks for this!  Your explanation was hugely successful in our little throwing group.   We applied this technique in sprint drills and every one of us found MAJOR gains!   Huge success.   We had guys in the group posting PRs just adding this movement to the start of the sprint drill. 

Now we just have to figure out how to reintegrate the cast.  :D

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Jake, great looking throw and even better looking practice facility.  You are the only man I know who evidently practices on the 18th fairway of the local country club.
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I'm glad it worked for you Greg. On the Cast, make sure you set the low point behind you, not off to your right. This has probably been the #1 thing that has gotten me going in the right direction. From there, don't force it into position, just guide it where you want it. You want to wait as long as possible before starting your turn. If you wait too long, you're going to miss the drive and only be able to catch it at zero. If you turn too early, the weight is going to pull you forward and you'll eat up valuable sprint distance. I think this is all relative to the thrower, but one thing is certain, you need to have a very fast first turn. You can't just hop, plop down and go. It's got to be a very active, very fast turn so you can get into position to drive it hard on the sprint. That will also setup the speed of your second turn. Keep up the reports, I'm glad to hear everyone was getting PRs!!!
 
Thanks Beau, it's just a local park though. I was throwing on the grass itself but the maintenance guys told me to move since they just painted lines for a soccer field and the divots are a liability. So I moved to this spot (same park), but instead of throwing onto the grass, I'm throwing from the grass onto hard dirt (like baseball field type dirt) and it has a lake behind it. Man, I'll tell you, when it's 109 degrees outside, I just want to go jump in that lake, haha. I've got about 120ft of play with the dirt between the grass and the lake so no worries on losing an implement, even on the bounce, except maybe hammer, but I throw hammer at a different location. Thanks for popping in buddy. See you at pleasanton?
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I think you should take the plunge one day.  I think I'd be tempted to throw my implements in the water after a bad practice, though.  As far as P-Town goes... absolutely!  Can't wait to make it out there again this year.  Hopefully I won't have a throwing meltdown on day two like last time.  Good times await, looking forward to sharing the field again!
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

I'm glad it worked for you Greg. On the Cast, make sure you set the low point behind you, not off to your right. This has probably been the #1 thing that has gotten me going in the right direction. From there, don't force it into position, just guide it where you want it. You want to wait as long as possible before starting your turn. If you wait too long, you're going to miss the drive and only be able to catch it at zero. If you turn too early, the weight is going to pull you forward and you'll eat up valuable sprint distance. I think this is all relative to the thrower, but one thing is certain, you need to have a very fast first turn. You can't just hop, plop down and go. It's got to be a very active, very fast turn so you can get into position to drive it hard on the sprint. That will also setup the speed of your second turn. Keep up the reports, I'm glad to hear everyone was getting PRs!!!
 
Thanks Beau, it's just a local park though. I was throwing on the grass itself but the maintenance guys told me to move since they just painted lines for a soccer field and the divots are a liability. So I moved to this spot (same park), but instead of throwing onto the grass, I'm throwing from the grass onto hard dirt (like baseball field type dirt) and it has a lake behind it. Man, I'll tell you, when it's 109 degrees outside, I just want to go jump in that lake, haha. I've got about 120ft of play with the dirt between the grass and the lake so no worries on losing an implement, even on the bounce, except maybe hammer, but I throw hammer at a different location. Thanks for popping in buddy. See you at pleasanton?


I'm going to give that a try next week....Thanks. It took me a while to figure out what you were writing to Greg about driving the hips down to the zero point, but after fussing with my HWFD yesterday I think you're talking about the same thing that Mike P told me....have the hips drive/guide the weight through the throw.

One thing for sure.  If I wait, wait, wait and stay low, then reverse my feet really quickly in the first turn it sets me up for a quicker drive to the front, every time. .... exactly as you say.  If I combine that with consciously keeping my shoulders back to build some separation, KAPOW!...

It's not too hard to do that with the 28, but it's flipping hard to do it with the HWFD. LOL
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

I'm going to give that a try next week....Thanks. It took me a while to figure out what you were writing to Greg about driving the hips down to the zero point, but after fussing with my HWFD yesterday I think you're talking about the same thing that Mike P told me....have the hips drive/guide the weight through the throw.
yes, it's very hard to put into words how something should feel, which is why it's taken me so long to get the feeling. What I said was to imagine that you just landed and the weight is falling to zero. Instead of letting it fall, push it. Push it hard, slam it into the ground. You do this by sinking and turning your hips, your right hip namely. Now, instead of letting it go, you sprint forward and do it again, then boom, huge finish up on your left leg and out into the sector. Everyone calls it something different, you just have to figure it out for yourself, unfortunately. It's not even something you can see in the video...... until you understand the feeling, haha. I can see it every time in my videos now and I can see it in all the huge tosses on youtube. Previously, nope.
 
On the cast, think of the low point as the weight is travelling to your left, try to keep the lowpoing the same as the weight is traveling back to your right again. Easiest way to do this is not turn your upper body until the weight has passed its lowpoint and started raising up again.


Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

One thing for sure.  If I wait, wait, wait and stay low, then reverse my feet really quickly in the first turn it sets me up for a quicker drive to the front, every time. .... exactly as you say.  If I combine that with consciously keeping my shoulders back to build some separation, KAPOW!...

It's not too hard to do that with the 28, but it's flipping hard to do it with the HWFD. LOL
Exactly, wait for it to get to 12:30-12:00ish before reversing your feet. Then sink and push the weight to zero. Agree with the 28. Your bodyweight is enough to counter without losing any trig area, but if you don't wait long enough with the heavy, it'll pull you forward hard. Must wait JUST long enough, but again, too long and you'll either not have any drive on the weight before the sprint or you'll sprint weight. Fine line, sir, fine line. Hope that helps some.
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

if you don't wait long enough with the heavy, it'll pull you forward hard. 
 
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Is THAT why I keep eating up too much room? Not that I'm waiting too long, I'm not waiting long enough?
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... you need to have a very fast first turn. You can't just hop, plop down and go. It's got to be a very active, very fast turn ...

LOL  Funny story.

I run frame by frame video comparisons with CoachMyVideo.     It allows me to put two videos up on screen side by side, and advance them together, frame by frame.

When I do that with you, or Andy, or Matt, I can advance the frames together for about 3 frames.  But then I have to advance my side once, sometimes twice to catch up.  

You guys are moving 30% to 60% faster in portions of the throw.  Now, clearly you had to be moving faster just to throw it farther, but I could not figure where the acceleration was coming from (slow mo replay of video of Youtube video creates a blurring effect).   

Now, I know where some of that acceleration comes from!  Very exciting.  I hope to string some of this together by Portland/Enumclaw.
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thats most likely why you're eating up the room. There are other factors, but I would probably visit that one first and go from there.
 
That is a funny story. You CAN get away with a slower turn. I did it for a long time. Make the turn fast enough so that you catch the weight right as it hits zero and you sprint. Problem with that is you can only put so much force on the weight, you're going reach max speed relatively quickly and you're going to tap out at your strength levels as you're really only apply force from probably 6:00->3:00 .
 
The more advanced you get, you need to find additional ways to add speed to the ball. Watch Larry Brocks big time LWFD throws. He separates like CRAZY. After his second turn, it looks like he's applying force to the ball from 9:00->6:00 and then again from 6:00->3:00 for the release. I'm probably somewhere around 7:30-8:00->6:00 and then 6:00->3:00 and I think I'm being generous. Now you aren't relying on strength anymore. It's pure technique at that point. How fast are you getting it moving? Larry Brock admits he wasn't the strongest guy on the field at any given time, but he took Worlds in 2010 and has some absolutely amazing marks. Same with Mike P and a whole lot of others. Sure, the extra strength and explosiveness helps. But in the end, the technician is going to take the double-U. Then you have guys like Matt V and Big Dan McKim = POWERHOUSE TECHNICIANS. Incredible technique, incredible power. These are the guys I aspire to be.


Same thing is to be said with hammers. The harder you push the more you suck. The technicians wins every time. Just last week I learned the "wood chop" McKim talks about. Best way I can explain it is to imagine I'm pulling a rope down from a pulley in the sky. As the ball is transferring off to my right side, I need to sink my hips and pull hard, "chopping" the ball down to it's low point. I played with it some today and hit 121' light hammer on 2 winds. I messed with heavy hammer for a while but couldn't get over 96' because they were too flat, just couldn't get a good pop with my hips. Squats this morning and then all my singles and doubles fatigued me. No excuses, just need to keep at it. Throwing tuesday, wednesday, thursday and saturday.. looking forward to it.

Thanks for coming in. I'm really glad I could help you out some. I'll try to get some slowmotion vid up soon. If anything, I'll have my camera with me on saturday when I train all the events so I'll get something then.
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guess it didn't work. scroll down to the 3rd picture from the top and you'll see it.
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both my IE browsers on my system at work are showing an invalid pic (box w/red x), and my phone isn't picking it up either, android system blue box w/ q mark..
 
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The driving to zero stuff is awesome. That and another piece of advice you gave me at our practice "lifting strap" resulted in a 4' PR for me today. Thanks Jake!
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