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    Posted: 6/20/12 at 10:34am
Seems really interesting and well researched...
http://www.truthaboutprotein.com/
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Could that website look anymore like a marketing scam?  With all the free information out there from actual experts and reputable sources, I fail to see who would buy this. 

If anyone has $37 burning a hole in their pocket, let me know and I'll give you my PayPal. 

I can just save you the time though and tell you that the book will indicate there there are several studies that indicate you only need about 120-150g (~1 gram/kg) of protein per day to build muscle (+ nitrogen balance).  And there are. 

However, and like that author (who is a whopping 170lbs), those people are around the size of an average house cat with corresponding caloric requirements (as well as a corresponding training age).  As such, the applicability is skewed, and most normal sized folks on this site eat more, and therefore eat more protein (cause steak is fkn good). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeff Ingram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/20/12 at 3:13pm
if a scientist needed to caudle my feelings of belief
 
If you can't spell "coddle" properly in your ad copy, I'm not dropping $ on your book.
 
Also love to hear about "building muscle" from people who've never been very good at it, apparently.
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Many many many studies. You are better off browsing pubmed or even googling your questions. Just read the studies the articles use as reference and pay attention to the type of person used - As already mentioned, there is a difference between protein absorption in a sedentary person and an active athlete.
Just base your opinion and eventual knowledge off of actual research not the rumor mill.
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Craig your right about it being cheesy..  It just validates the .8-1g per bdy wt..  For those that like to see all the science mumbo jumbo.  I really dont care what the guy looks like..  Intellegent and well researched, than make an educated decision..  There a lot of huge guys doing a lot of wrong things...  Open the mind
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Originally posted by chirolifter chirolifter wrote:

I really dont care what the guy looks like..  Intellegent and well researched, than make an educated decision..  There a lot of huge guys doing a lot of wrong things...  Open the mind

I agree with this 100% in general terms (I have no knowlege of the book in question).  It is tempting to think the bigger or stronger guy has the answers, and in the absence of other information it is definitely better than listening to the small weak guy, but this is not always the correct decision.  Ulf Timmermann's coach, Werner Goldmann, looked like a stereotypical small, slim accountant with glasses.  Physically, or from any sort of visual or performance perspective, he would not have garnered much respect at all from those interested in getting big or strong or learning to throw far.  And yet...

In contrast, I have met an elite football player or two who really knew quite little about lifting and certainly little or nothing about training theory etc., but they could incline press 405 and dunk a basketball from a stand weighing 300 lbs and run 10 yards or so really fast simply because they were genetic freaks and did a modest amount of good work under the direction of knowlegeable coaches.




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Originally posted by chirolifter chirolifter wrote:

Craig your right about it being cheesy..  It just validates the .8-1g per bdy wt..  For those that like to see all the science mumbo jumbo.  I really dont care what the guy looks like..  Intellegent and well researched, than make an educated decision..  There a lot of huge guys doing a lot of wrong things...  Open the mind


IT doesn't validate the .8-1g per, the actual research that is free and readily available validates that.

I agree with a lot of people doing a lot of wrong things, but they could be doing them for a reason too.  I mean you could have semi-intelligent people paying $37 for something that they could look up themselves...that might be considered doing something wrong Wink 


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Originally posted by Pingleton Pingleton wrote:

Ulf Timmermann's coach, Werner Goldmann, looked like a stereotypical small, slim accountant with glasses.  Physically, or from any sort of visual or performance perspective, he would not have garnered much respect at all from those interested in getting big or strong or learning to throw far.  And yet...


Isn't he basically renowned as one of the best drug guys in the business though?  That would certainly be a reason to listen to him, even if his own physical attributes aren't there.  Not to mention coaching for XX years, etc....  Hardly a comparable situation to the author of the book in the OP. 
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Originally posted by Pingleton Pingleton wrote:

Ulf Timmermann's coach, Werner Goldmann, looked like a stereotypical small, slim accountant with glasses.  Physically, or from any sort of visual or performance perspective, he would not have garnered much respect at all from those interested in getting big or strong or learning to throw far.  And yet...


Isn't he basically renowned as one of the best drug guys in the business though?  That would certainly be a reason to listen to him, even if his own physical attributes aren't there.  Not to mention coaching for XX years, etc....  Hardly a comparable situation to the author of the book in the OP. 

Again, (1) I was specifically not commenting in any way on the book in question or it's author, (2) of course there are various reasons why people should listen to a smaller/weaker guy in some cases - that was my whole point, along with the fact that listening to the big/strong guy is not ALWAYS the correct decision. You need to know where the guy started, what he did to get where he is, etc etc.  I have known some big/strong guys who were extremely knowlegeable and some who seemed to get results in spite of their training routine.

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I agree with that.  
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Accomplishments count for a lot in terms of credibility. Research and book-learnin' are great, but I want to see application.

And, spelling counts.
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I also agree with that.
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