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    Posted: 11/03/10 at 12:38pm

What's the general consensus here? I'm curious..

do you guys hook it or lather up with tacky for WFD?

Hook grip feels so akward to me throwing, it's very difficult to get past it. No issues with my thumb in reards to pain or discomfort, just feels incredibly akward while spinning.

I prefer to wrap my fingers in athletic tape and put a few dabs of tacky on it to prevent the WFD from slipping out prematurely due to the smootheness of the tape. If I go bareback I don't need tacky at all, but within 7-8 throws at least callus gets ripped off...

what do you guy do?

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DOOD!

I have the same freaking problem...my hand is jacked right now, and if it doesn't get better most ricky-tick Justin White is going to whip my a$$.

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In my experience, hook grip takes a little getting use to but I think it is the way to go. I wrap my thumb and the base of my pinky and ring finger and it holds up well. But like I said it takes a little getting use to.
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There will probably be a point where you need to hook grip or you will lose the weight.  Use it.
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Glove taped on with hook grip.  I never have a tear or pain in the hand. 
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I don't throw as far as Craig, but what Craig said.

I'll add this:
There seems to be two "types" of hand "sets". Some hold
the weight down in the knuckles the others keep it up in
the hand. Those that keep it up in the hand tend to be
the ones that tear callouses the most and have trouble
with gloves (which would be me ) Also, it seems from
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set prefer the ring weights and the hand set prefer D
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I personally hook, I only tape up if I have a torn
callous to cover, I lay down a layer of spray tacky, not
too much, then tape my thumb and put a dab of resin tacky
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I'm all doped up on coffee and Thera-flu - I hope no one minds my long-winded appreciation of hook gripping...

I think hook grip is the easiest way. The best thing about hook gripping is that you don't have to squeeze with your grip to hold on to the weight. This relaxes the arm and shoulder and gives you a longer lever to throw the weight with. Also helps keep the whole mentality  of the throw smooth and long.

I started hook gripping in 2001 and I have finally perfected my method only this year. I now wear a pretty tight soft leather glove with half of the pointer and middle finger cut off and the whole thumb cut off. I tape just my thumb. But I've only recently learned how to properly tape it...

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1)Take a 1/2 wide piece of tape that is twice as long as your thumb and wrap from the base of your thumb up and over the tip back down to the other side. Do this once more - crossing the pieces of tape so the x is on the tip of your thumb.

2) Then loosely wrap the thumb with torn 1/2 wide athletic tape - till you have the thumb wrapped 2-4 layers thick - make it a little thicker towards the top than at the base of the thumb - gives a bit of a wedge effect to really help secure the grip.

Then, with the help of some lovely Brock's Magic Tacky, I put just a DOT on my pointer and middle finger and get it worked in really tight onto a small spot on my thumb. I want that 1/4 inch of surface on my thumb to be really sticky - but nowwhere else. I will chalk the rest of my thumb, the sides of my pointer and middle fingers and the handle of the weight to get rid of other peoples tacky residue.

3) Don't over hook the thumb. You want to see at least a 1/2" of thumb showing at the bottom. The center joint of my thumb is centered between my two fingers.

The day I started this excessive routine, I had a 2' pr in LWD at 84' 10". Also, because of the taping method, I have no more thumb pain.

The problem with a super tacky glove imo is that all that tack slows down how fast the weight leaves your hand. Maybe I'm wrong but if the weight is glued to your entire palm and fingers, how can that not limit distance if the sticky is slightly counter acting the momentum of the weight? Granted, Ryan Vierra and Karl Dodge, with super tacky gloves went 49' 10 and 47' 11.5 in the HWD without the hook gripping...but not everyone is superhuman.

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Thanks to everyone for their contribution. I'll be giving this some deep throught in the next couple months. Right now I have homemade WFD and the handle is made out of 3/4" ID steel pipe, so a hook grip doesn't quite fit that the way it would a standard D or O handle.. Once I get some legit implements to practice with, maybe I'll give it a shot.

Originally posted by will barron will barron wrote:

The problem with a super tacky glove imo is that all that tack slows down how fast the weight leaves your hand. Maybe I'm wrong but if the weight is glued to your entire palm and fingers, how can that not limit distance if the sticky is slightly counter acting the momentum of the weight? Granted, Ryan Vierra and Karl Dodge, with super tacky gloves went 49' 10 and 47' 11.5 in the HWD without the hook gripping...but not everyone is superhuman.

that was a great write up, I'll definately give it more thought. I had a question regarding your rationale for the tacky. All of us tack the shit out of our hands when we throw hammer so we can stay looser. Would the tacked up gloves for WFD be the same thing for hammers? As long as the weight is moving fast enough, there wouldn't be any "counter acting" right? thoughts?

Not trying to argue, just picking brains. Thanks for all the replies!!

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hook grip it is, I can't friggin hold on to the went when I get a really good pull on it..

twice I would have nailed 35+ HWFD and twice it ripped out of my hand around the 2 o'clock position..

 

Thanks for the advice errbody

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Originally posted by Duncan McCallum Duncan McCallum wrote:

DOOD!

I have the same freaking problem...my hand is jacked right now, and if it doesn't get better most ricky-tick Justin White is going to whip my a$$.



I had the same problem last year.  I didn't use a glove or a hook grip and it was fine until I started throwing 37-38 HWD.  Then I started tearing calluses left and right.  It is a bitch to work through those torn calluses and it can have a big impact on your throwing.

I've used the hook grip before with olympic lifts and I know it works, but the hook grip felt like shit at first when throwing.  It took me about 3 weeks to get used to it.  The hook grip itself only allowed me to hang onto the weight, but didn't protect my hands at all, so I started using a glove.  Finding a good glove was difficult at first, because it needs to be tight and have enough padding to protect.  A lot of gloves have all kinds of crap sewn into it that you don't want.

I found an awesome glove at Murdochs.  I'll put a video up on youtube explaining everything, because I've actually put a lot of time into the glove I use and how I set my glove up when I throw.  I've never had a problem this season and I love throwing with that glove.  It actually helps my grip, protects my hand, and feels great to use. 


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Please do Dan...my hands keep failing me, and it impacts my lifts and my throwing.

Really pissing me off.

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no one has mentioned it, but another thing to help with the calluses . . . . shave them off or use some sort of pumus type stone to grind them off.  both methods work best in the shower.

I use my wife's heel doctor pumus stone thingy every morning when I take a shower.  no callous, or at least minimized callous, means the handle is less like to hang on it and tear it off.

i know, i know, you guys think chicks dig callouses.  but, they dig big WFD throws more.   

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Question for Will and anyone else who plans to throw in Scotland:

Don't the SGA rules disallow use of a glove? How do you prepare for a
games over there if you are practicing and throwing with a glove on in North
America?

Personally, I hook, with tape on the first knuckle of my fingers and around
my thumb. I absolutely hate when the handle of the weight is all tacked up -
I will rub chalk and/or just plain dirt onto the handle to "de-tack" it - can't
stand when the handle is not free to "rotate" in my hand.
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Well I'm not going to win an Oscar, but here is a video about using a glove and hook grip.  I hope it helps you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLQtW8diP_w
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Where does he get those wonderful toys?

Thanks Dan!  Check M's site last night hunting for these things..do you have the name so I can order some?

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I don't hook grip, and I dont wear gloves. I dont lather
the weight up with tacky either. I put just a little bit
on. All I need is some...texture...on the handle. I dont
use alot of tacky. And I also shave the calluses down when
in the shower. Havent ripped skin in a long time and I
havent had a problem holding onto the weight yet.
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I practiced hook yesterday and although my thumb hurt like shit, overeall it felt pretty good. I'll be looking for a glove shortly, maybe.. for now, I just wrapped my hand in tape right where the handle sits (on top of the spot you always get calluses below your fingers) to avoid pulling a callus off. I shave my calluses too, but it doesn't always help and I'll still pull them off...

I've talked to people who hold the weight in their fingers with the hook grip, and I've talked to people who hold the weight tight in their palm with a hook grip. What's the consensus on this?

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Originally posted by Mr. Natural Mr. Natural wrote:

Once again...

I didn't tape my thumb like that yesterday, I just threw a bunch of tape on in an unfashioned manner because I was in a hurry and only throwing LWFD.. I tried the handle-in-finger method this link refers too and it wasn't as comfortable as having it in my palm with the thumb wrapped around. I also had my middle and index finger on my thumb, but that is most likely due to the diameter of my implement handle, I'll be getting some legit D handles shortly but until then I'll have to keep practicing with what I've got. I talked to 2 different athletes this weekend about the hook grip, one pro and one about to go pro.. one preferred the handle in finger hook method and one preferred the handle in palm hook method.. which is why I was asking.. didn't mean to annoy anybody with ??s that have already been covered, sorry

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D handles are great, but you won't always have them. You need to be able to
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finally just saw the video, awesomeness!!
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I started using hook grip just this year and found it made a massive difference. When I get my turns right in the WFD there is just too much force to be able to hold onto it for me - but with the hook - it stays put. Thumb hurts a bit.

And in WFH it is what put me up into the top 3 at Castle Hill. Because having seen my video - my pull is about half that of anyone else :)

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Dose the whole glove and hook grip thing apply for WOB event? It looked to me that dude in the video wore mechanic gloves that looked a size smaller than what he'd normaly would wear.

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The hook grip is AWESOME....AWESOME for deadlifitng.
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Hook the world.
 
Like a few of the other boys, I also cut the thumb out of the gloves and hook from there. Prevents hands from tearing to pieces on release.
 
Hook your deads. Hook your cleans. Strap your snatch(heh), and your snatch and clean pulls. The snatch strapping only applies if you don't also compete in olifting. In which case, suck it up.
 
Shave and pumice your callouses.
 
Keep the damn tacky off the implement. Nobody likes a snotty handle.
 
As for Scotland? Get into a daily routine of hand care after every games. And no, that's NOT a joke.
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I have pansy hands.   

There.   I said it.

I prefer to throw bare handed, but I've lost about 3 sq inches of flesh in recent weeks.  My hands are thick, short and fleshy.   I tape up and promptly rip the flesh above or around the tape.  I'll either end up taped up like a mummy or throwing in gloves.

Sounds like there's something I don't know about hand care/calluses, etc..

What's a good resource for learning how to care for calluses that's pertinent to HG?
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