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Sean
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Do something every day and log it. BW squats, pushups, chin-ups, fatguy pullups, decent ab work, box jumps, hill sprints, overhead throws, etc. None of that takes any real equipment or gym membership. Just will.
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Duncan McCallum
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C. Smith
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You gotta want it.
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jsully
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YMMV, IMO.
I threw well over 100ft lt hammer last year and didn't touch a 22 in training more than 5 or 6 times all year. I also went 116 with the heavy. You can achieve everything you need to (positions) with the 16.
Where I disagree is the hwd. Whether you're throwing in the LW class or the open (42hwd vs 56hwd) it is of my opinion the heavy is vital and the lwd is equal to the heavy to the heavy hammer. The 28 is light enough you can miss positions and still get a "decent" mark. If you miss positions with the 42 or 56 your "decent" mark is gone. The opposite however, if you hit positions with the 42 or 56, then the 28 is just a faster version of it much like the 22 is just a slower version of the 16.
Again, YMMV, but this is how I have my training set up. I'll throw the heavy hammer on occasion and I'll throw the lwd a handful of reps (which is usually about 1/4 as much as I've thrown the hwd) in a given practice.
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Sean
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Also, refer to this handy flowchart:
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C. Smith
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I've never touched a heavy hammer outside of competition.
I'm just the opposite of jake when it comes to the weights. |
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Sean
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You don't touch ANY of the implements outside of competition.
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C. Smith
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lol, I mean ever though. Not just the last 8 years.
I actually owned a 16lb hammer, true story. Never owned a 22 though. |
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jsully
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I've only recently begun practicing the 22 with any kind of regularity (once every 3ish weeks?) as to strengthen the push when the hammer is behind me because I can't reach max speed with the 22 in 3 winds like I can with the 16 and 4 winds just FFFFFs up my timing.
Craig, did you have to practice with the 56 first to learn the positions? For someone that is advanced I would agree (sort of, I still like the 56 over the 28) but someone just barely learning, don't you think the 28 would be too forgiving vs a 56? I'm curious about this.
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C. Smith
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Well, you're a way better hammer thrower than I ever was, so I defer.
Nope, I always looked at the throws exactly the same, just one faster than the other. And especially not for someone Josh's size. |
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jsully
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Very interesting, srs.
I could throw the lwd 79ft while my hwd was only 33ft. That's what I mean about the 28 being more forgiving. It wasn't until I put some serious time in with the 56 to fix positions that I started getting 38-39-40+ heavy. Consequently, thats when my 28 started moving up over 80 as well. I was stuck at 79 for what seemed like the longest time.
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C. Smith
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I suspect it probably has as much to do with body types and strengths as anything. I threw 40+ long before I threw 80+, esp consistently.
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Duncan McCallum
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Having met Josh and spoken to him face to face about this kind of thing, I would strongly recommend working with the 28 exclusively, or maybe splitting the difference and scoring some midrange weight...maybe a 35 or something.
I say this because Josh is:
1. Not very tall
2. Not very heavy
Without the foundation (i.e. cast, footwork, etc.) there really aren't any positives to come out of taking it in the teeth with the 56. Not to diminish his abilities or be discouraging...far from it. But the fundamentals don't change for Josh or Jake or Craig or me:
1. Get a good grip, hook or otherwise
2. Figure out how to cast and keep the weight off you
3. Get your rotation/sprint under control
4. Drive to zeBRO
Get the 28 Josh...or something in between. The 56 won't teach you anything right now. Holler at me later and we can rap about it.
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JSiau10
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We'll, if that is what you guys think then who am I to argue with men of your caliber?
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I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart.
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Duncan McCallum
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Pfffft...caliber shmaliber. We're just guys...same as you.
Minus the adamantium. Now go practice. |
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JSiau10
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First entry of the year will be tonight, I have enough room in my small home gym to get some lifting done and I have tomorrow off so I will probably be lifting well into the morning.
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I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart.
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Duncan McCallum
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Short and Stabby,
Another bit of unsolicited advice...if you haven't already... PLEASE contact Mike and Mindy and get their book and DVD. More than any implements or marathon weightlifting sessions, their book/DVD will give you a solid technical foundation since you haven't really thrown enough to develop bad habits. Not having bad habits is a good thing. Drills, diet, and lifts...it's all there. Or get Vincent's LAB or Stewart's dvd...both are solid. I've used them all and am better for it. I'll we watching! |
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JSiau10
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I'll look into that book. Mike who?
We'll I fell asleep before getting to post last nights workout. It was all dumbbell work, I'm still working to make room in my home gym for the straight bar. It looked a little like this: Dumbbell curls: 5x10 25lbs Dumbbell push press: 5x10 25 lbs Dumbbell squats: 5x10 25 lbs I wanted to do more but was just too tired. |
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Duncan McCallum
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I'll let you find it...it's all over this site.
Skip the curls buddy. Forever. Not being a d-bag but if what you have right now are 2 25 pound DB's, I'd be doing: DB Squats DB Single Leg Squats OH Squats DB Goblet Squats (might have to use a single db for these..kinda wonky) Russian Twists with one DB (again, kinda difficult...YouTube) Pushups/Renegade Rows Kroc Rows (basically just do DB rows until you can't) Don't fall into old habits Josh; one of the things that just kills me on this part of NASGA is how many people waste their time in the gym doing lifts "for the Games" that never really translate "at the Games." Don't get me wrong, having strong biceps is desirable...we don't want to have an obviously weak link...but for throwing, you'd be BETTER served by saving the energy you used up doing those 50 reps and doing more squats. More deadlifts. More OHP. If you don't have a lot of time, and you don't have much space, then you really cannot afford to waste either. Spend your time and effort on things that matter, not just things that feel comfortable. The best in the business have a fairly routine (some might say boring) stable of lifts. Certainly, they do other things as well (and very well) but when the dust settles, they bench, they squat, they pull, they press, and they clean/snatch. It isn't a secret. Love ya to death man; I'm jumping your a$$ about this because I want you to do better. To do that, you have to commit to the long road of slow and steady. |
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TheJeff696
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What he said.
Body building is cool and all but it's more of a reward for us throwers than our actual workouts. You can do it!
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Jeff Kaste
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JSiau10
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Oh man does that hurt. But a good hurt. I have the straight bar set up and funny 22, 33, and 44 lb weights.
Squats: 2x10 89lb 2x10 111lb Deadlift: 2x10 111lb 2x10 133lb Dumbbell Push press: 2x10 25lb 3x10 30lb This hurt like hell, but it was a GREAT hurt. I am going to be walking a few miles tomorrow morning before work so I don't seize up. Oh, and I spent the whole workout listening to Fork-Talk. Love those guys |
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Duncan McCallum
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Better.
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Sean
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Much.
Also: Single Leg Romanian Deadlift KB Swings KB Rows Hill sprints Stair runs Move that body with purpose. |
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Duncan McCallum
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MOAR this.
Get a jumprope. One of the best tools I have in the Ludus; certainly the one I use the most.
Fast feet.
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JSiau10
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As soon as this weekend of work hell ends I'll get back to it. For now I'll research some of those lifts. The stair runs I do everyday at work, 7+ flights of stairs to patrol.
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Duncan McCallum
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You would be wise to take a few minutes today and think about Nan-in.
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JSiau10
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Nan what?
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I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart.
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Duncan McCallum
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Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring. The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!" "Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?" Think on this... |
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Todd Bell
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Duncan............................that was beautiful!
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crouch,touch,pause,engage
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Duncan McCallum
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Word.
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