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My last hammer handle broke during warm-ups, so I switched to sheaf practice. 25-26 is getting pretty automatic. 28 is in reach.
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What are you using for standards, Mike? And that 25-26 is 20#? Sheaf has to be a major focus for me this year. I'm tired of giving away that many points. Any tips/tricks/magical advices?
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Mike, if I talk sweet to you, could I get raw footage of that 44' HW of Dunc's? That's a gorgeous angle.
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NOBODY wants to see that.
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I know I'm nobody, Dunc. It just seems rude to point it out ;)
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GDAMMIT SEAN!
 
You know I can't quit you!
 
I think I have it on my cell; Mike is always good about catching people's best throws and playing "Real American" as loud as an iPhone can when the situation calls for it. 
 
All that being said, it was a lucky shot...not sure you will learn much from it.
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Boom. Self burn. Sean, PM me your digits, boo. ;)
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I am 8 lb. up since my last comp, and I haven't touched a barbell in over 10 days. I threw stones and weights today. Stones were a hot mess, so I moved on since both weights need way more work.

I've been trying to transform my WFD style, and I think the dividends are starting to come. I haven't tried throwing thiis new way in competition yet, simply because of the potential for disaster. In short, I've been watching and kinda imitating throwers closer to my size. There are some timing issues and force application cues that are unique to those of us who aren't monstrously big and strong. In my opinion, they differ between HWFD and LWFD as well. I made some big strides in speeding up the implement at the right times today, but getting my body to respond and sprint at the right time is still challenging. Today was all range throwing, but a few LWFD snuck out to 63-64.

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I am intrigued, Mike. I'm kind of in the same spot right now. I need that sprint but it's dodging me right now.
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Yep, this is interesting to me too, can you elaborate on what specifically you're working with the weights? And maybe link some of the vids you mentioned? 
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Switching gears to speed work since I'm in the middle of early season.

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Originally posted by Mike Beech Mike Beech wrote:


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Originally posted by Sean Sean wrote:

I am intrigued, Mike. I'm kind of in the same spot right now. I need that sprint but it's dodging me right now.

Originally posted by eclarkhb eclarkhb wrote:

Yep, this is interesting to me too, can you elaborate on what specifically you're working with the weights? And maybe link some of the vids you mentioned? 

Specifically I am focusing on speeding up the implement throughout the whole throw. Whenever the weight is moving toward a low point (behind me, basically) I am trying to "work" the weight and accelerate it there. I have been watching a lot of Odden's videos and some Matt Doherty and Bro-zina here and there. What I have noticed is that relatively smaller guys have to really add a lot of work during the cast and first turn instead of casting gently and then sprinting balls out.

 With the 56, I feel like I have to be a lot more stable, rigid and aggressive to achieve the positions I need to create that acceleration. I have seen progress from doing that, and speeding up the implement has been enough to get PRs.

With the 28 though, I have to work on getting my feet and body to catch up with the implement now that I am adding speed to it throughout. My feet look very quick on the first turn, but my sprint is mis-timed and slow. It feels like I need to "fire" my muscles to sprint at the exact moment I add force to the weight, and that will get me to the front quickly. That's what I'm working on now.

On both weights, I am also finishing too high, and this is oddly related to not turning my right foot. If I can pre turn, it give me a split second more time before I have to land, thus allowing me to get a little lower and do that final "work" on the weight and explode up to finish.

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"With the 28 though, I have to work on getting my feet and body to catch up with the implement now that I am adding speed to it throughout. My feet look very quick on the first turn, but my sprint is mis-timed and slow. It feels like I need to "fire" my muscles to sprint at the exact moment I add force to the weight, and that will get me to the front quickly. That's what I'm working on now."

FWIW...I have some ideas.
 
1.  "I have to work on getting my feet and body to catch up with the implement now that I am adding speed to it throughout."  My understanding is your body should ALWAYS be in front of the implement.  I have found, in my limited experience, that if I can get my body to the trig first the throw usually takes care of itself.
 
2.  "My feet look very quick on the first turn, but my sprint is mis-timed and slow."  Know why that is?  Because this: "It feels like I need to "fire" my muscles to sprint at the exact moment I add force to the weight, and that will get me to the front quickly."  One of a few things are going to happen here...first, you'll hit it just right and BOOM goes the dynamite.  Or, you will completely mis-time this and end up over-accelerating and fouling.  Or, even worse, you'll end up at the trig with the implement WAYYYYYYYYYYY in front of you thereby killing whatever final push/pull and lift you had planned.
 
You are stupid fast.  Stupid.  Proved that at San Antonio.  Get your body moving quickly so you can get to the trig in a hurry and then, maybe, start thinking about putting a little more English on the cast.
 
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That right foot is KILLING my progress. I need to stop planting the heel. Heel plants, hip stops, weight slows, sadness reigns.
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Thank you, Dunc. It's still hard to think of myself as "fast," but after hearing enough people compliment me on it, I am starting to count it as a strength.

1.) You are absolutely right about this. I think that's where the disconnect is now that I am learning to push the implement through space. In reading your log, my next several sessions are going to be focused on what Sully was talking about with keeping the hip ahead of the implement, and getting the feet into position. I know I have the speed and agility to accomplish this, but it's the old story: reps.

2.) So, explain in greater detail what you are getting at. Is there a better way to cue myself or time the sprint at that moment, or is it just a cautionary statement?

I think you are probably right about not pushing the cast so much. I think the real results were coming from pushing it after the first turn and at the finish. 
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Beech.. to be honest, I'm only able to sauce that cast with success maybe 20-30% of the time. With that being said, if you can juice the cast AND KEEP YOUR POSITIONS THROUGHOUT that shit is going to fly. Watch Brebner's 94f WR lwd on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ5EdOfGNAs
 
He destroys the cast and just adds speed from there. I like to work lower % throws up to max effort throws in practice. I'll start with some low 50-60% type effort one turns, focusing on the finish. Then a couple with a beefier sprint and a bigger finish. Then a couple that are about 90%. These fit somewhere in my 5-8 one turns warming up for fulls. From there I go to fulls and focus on a low effort 50-60% sprint and maybe a slightly bigger effort finish for a couple throws. Then slowly add to each. When I'm at 100% sprint and finish and the throws feel good, then I'll add speed to the cast. If these throw off my positions I'll back down to just the sprint and finish again.
 
Both of my prs on weights have been with a faster cast. It all comes down to whether I can still nail positions or not. Speeding up the cast exponentially speeds up the finish.
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This is good stuff.  If I may add $.02 . . . make sure to continue to push the weight and counter it and not slip in dragging it.  It's an easy thing to do when applying what has been said above.  I do it all the time sadly.  But, I am old, and weak, and don't have the obsessive discipline of Dunc and Jake.
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Changed the angle of my cast to set me up for better hammer orbits, and used a very simple cue to keep myself long and extended in the hips and arms throughout. Got some distance out of that. Still not countering enough in the last two winds - have to keep from tightening up as the speed increases.
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Originally posted by Mike Beech Mike Beech wrote:

used a very simple cue to keep myself long and extended in the hips and arms throughout. 


Which was what Mike?


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Originally posted by Sean Sean wrote:

What are you using for standards, Mike? And that 25-26 is 20#? Sheaf has to be a major focus for me this year. I'm tired of giving away that many points. Any tips/tricks/magical advices?


I missed this, sorry. I am using a 25' street lamp in front of my house. I haven't really made it happen in competition yet, so any advice from me is suspect. I've really just gained some height by paying close attention to the natural path of the bag, and trying to see where it makes sense to accelerate it, and where it's counter-productive.
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So much good stuff in here. I can't really offer any tips to help Mike, so I'm just gonna lurk in here & keep soakin up the knowledge...

Thanks all!!
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Damn, that's a great idea on the light standard. Thanks, Mike.
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Saturday - Houston Highland Games

Braemar: 32-7
Open Stone: 41-2 - Still didn't nail this as hard as I wanted, but I won't complain.
HWFD: 29-1 - None of us were throwing this particularly well. My finish was MIA.
LWFD: 61-4
Light Hammer: 95-3 - Not terrible, but not enough by far. I am crawling back to relevance in this event.
Caber: The real caber didn't make it to the games, so we threw a baby stick for distance. I was like 5th.
20 lb. Sheaf: Came in at 22 ft and no-heighted. Height was fine, just missed front, left, then right. Ugh.
WOB: 11

I came into this one feeling pretty dialed in. First half of the day went expected, but I had my usual meltdown in the later events. After I get clear of the next two games, I need to let my injuries heal and then train hammers, caber, sheaf and WOB exclusively. I can't notch wins if I can't hang in these events.
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I used the 55 kb between sets to work on my WOB setup as well. Trying to feel the active push, because it really had an effect last weekend, I just couldn't control it.

A few rounds of hammer winds and WFD casts in the front yard.
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Correction: Rob sleeps on the couch, I sleep on Rob.
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Hammer practice was a complete bust. I thought I really had some things figured out, but executing them eludes me. Moved on to WOB:


13 needs to become automatic instead of a once in a while thing. I am pushing the weight back deeper than ever before the pull, and I can tell it's working. I'm just not timing it well enough. Help?
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