Useful Lifts Roundtable

Am new to the Heavy Athletics but not new to strength competitions. I got an idea to post some videos of lifts. Looking for responses on whether or not it would be good for Hammer or Caber etc. Maybe an exercise would be good BUT if changed a little, it could be an even better. A lift might be good for overloading the shoulders but not directly throw specific. Maybe a lift I post is a complete waste of time. I'm looking to learn from the input BUT maybe others could benefit from this as well.
First lift is the Barbell Bent Press and this is how I do them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PETNIi7hIGc
A slow exercise to be sure BUT it develops alot of flexibility,core strength and strengthens the shoulders in an almost isometric manner. So is it a gold, silver or fool's gold exercise?
Fool's gold exercise is an exercise that everyone says you should do but there's nothing to backup why its so 'necessary'.

NO the swing is NOT good. I have been trying to break an RKC/ Strong first certfied trainer of her swing ways. Is it a good exercise, yes. Is it good for the games, NO!  The WOB is Vertical, the proper swing is horizontal in nature, meaning you want the KB projected forward.  It has really hurt her WOB. But this offseason we are going to get her deadlifting more and tossing the WOB more to correct that.

Throw to get good at throwing, lift to get good at lifting.  I feel strong for throwing would be 5-600 squat and dead, 3-350 clean, 250-300 snatch.  If your there work on throwing and drills..  One thing I have learned the hard way was to be GOOD at one thing you must focus and train that one thing.  I tried competing o-lifting and HG and was mediocre at best in both.  It was good at first then you hit a cross roads- To take it to the next level and be good at one, I had to choose..  

chirolifter, some good info on the numbers you think are necessary. Yeah, I've hit the crossroads MANY times. I compete in Olympic Lifting,Powerlifting,Strongman and All-Round Lifting. Basically, I realized there's a big difference at becoming a better athlete through Snatches and Clean & Jerks VS getting better at those two lifts just to get better at those two lifts. The solution? Right now I'm getting ready for the Games coming up in Topsham. I am focusing on throwing technique vs a monster haul. Part of that is also cuz I'm new at this. Generally, I let my 'other' training help my next meet.
I'm also getting ready for USAWA Jobe's Superman meet(combined Power and Olympic lifting meet) in September as well. Since four of the five lifts are with an Axle, I'm focusing on technique with those lifts and a crapton of grip training. I will go hard and heavy on 'other' lifts that aren't upcoming competition lifts.
Basically, I'm not going to Squat more with the Squat being the only benefactor. I tried this for the first time at the past USAWA Nationals a two day meet June 29th&30th and had the meet of my life!! Broke a National record on the Barbell One Arm Deadlift and broke the World Record on the Barbell One Arm Snatch TWICE!! I got many compliments on my technique which told me I had done the right homework!!
I will check out the vids!! Thanks again!!

Edited by James Fuller - 8/09/13 at 9:36am

Lay on us what the records were you set, one arm deadlift seems right.  

It means I like it, it is not wrong, it is right.  I am assuming no straps on either lift.  The links would not work for me.  

brandell wrote: The WOB is Vertical

I echo Gene.  If your numbers are at or above what he suggested, work on the throwing stuff.  If they aren't, work on both.  Nothing you do is going to translate to the throws, better than the throws. 

I agree with Sean, WOB is not vertical. 

Also, nice lifting with the USAWA stuff.  Chad (Al too) can help you out a bunch, he's done highland games for a long time. 

James Fuller wrote: Broke a National record on the Barbell One Arm Deadlift and broke the World Record on the Barbell One Arm Snatch TWICE!!

James Fuller wrote: Set a 341lb Barbell One Arm Deadlift Right Handed and hit a 143lb Barbell One Arm Snatch Left Handed.

On that chart it looks like Chad pulled a 418lbs one arm deadlift and Al pulled 380lbs and Frank pulled 357lbs, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.... 

And Chad and Al also broke the "World Record on the Barbell One Arm Snatch" with 65kg?

It's a pendulum. All the big WFH boys have very long pulls. That's the trick. Not fast, so much, but long and always accelerating.

Sean wrote: It's a pendulum. All the big WFH boys have very long pulls. That's the trick. Not fast, so much, but long and always accelerating.

That makes ALOT of sense Sean, thanks!!

Sean wrote: (with WAY too much man-love after)

Mike's WOB looked EFFORTLESS!!

Bent press......no
Push Press......yes
BTW welcome. Nice to have some more Maine throwers on here!

It's good......but!!
I would stick to the traditional two handed push press.
You one hand is more like your just trying to get under the bar rather than work a kinetic chain from your legs up through the press (much like a throw).
Those kinds of lifts are fun and could be thrown in a workout as something cool to try but I wouldn't have them as the staple of you routine.