Utah/Thanksgiving Point Highland Games Am Results

HWFD

Duncan 43-4
Scott 34-1

No less than four World records have been broken or tied today.

  Talk to us!

I counted 3 WR's (lh, hh, sWOB) and 1 NA/US record (lwfd).  

They aren't WR's.  They are class records.  

Soooo, masters and lightweights can get a WR with the 42 . . .

^^ Yup.

Although I doubt a lightweight will throw it further than a master would.  Which is why the 42 WR is held by a Master at 59'11".  You might have heard of him.

TheJeff696 wrote: Didn't Overfelt throw 62'+ with the 42 at 40+ in age? Maybe it wasn't official or something.

Nope.  He's thrown for that record for the last few years.  I've seen him go 59'+ more times than I can count, but never could pull off the 60 footer. 

Gotcha.

I think it's pretty widely accepted that men and women are genetically different enough that women's throws can be considered world records. 

But because you are a full grown male chooses to be small, or a full grown male that happens to be too old to throw far, no. 

Fantastic question, and nice debate brewing here.  

On another note. Who makes those hammer heads used in Utah. They seem to be an unusual shape!

phatmiked wrote: Debate? Oh, I'm just assisting in the hijacking of the thread.

Success. 

phatmiked wrote: An implement is an implement. Women throw the 28# weight and the 16# hammer. Is their "genetic condition" any more or less controllable than the effects of aging? I mean, there's no way a 60 year old man can compete with a 30 year old man, right?

Are you really comparing aging to differences in male/female hormone composition and anatomy?  C'mon now. 

And I agree, youth is going to win in that battle.  All the old people competing together can and should have their records, but just understand that they are class records and not world records.  It does a disservice to those who actually have world records (see powerlifting for another horrific example), and I personally don't understand why anyone would say that anyway.  It's akin to the 'everyone gets a trophy' mentality that currently runs rampant in this country. 

phatmiked wrote: btw, remember Billy Jean King?

Of course.  Remember that she played a washed up tennis player who was at the top of game in the 1940's and they played that match in 1973?  It was a PR stunt and flat out marketing genius.  Largest audience to ever watch a tennis match in the US. 

I assume you know the story about Venus and Serena Williams vs Karsten Braasch from a few years back?

phatmiked wrote: And, Becca Swanson is probably stronger than 85% of the men on Nasga.

Unfortunately, that says more about the men on Nasga imo.  But ignoring the obvious there, even when Becca was her biggest (240lbs), she was no where near the top of the men's strength game around that weight class. 

Hell, my wife was ranked #6 for the men's total in powerlifting one year in her class, and she would laugh if you tried to tell her she was stronger than a man. 

I'm not saying that there aren't anomalies where a female can beat a male at something.  That doesn't exist at the highest levels of performance and sport though.  It just doesn't happen.  It's not misogynistic, it's just fact.  Men are bigger, stronger, faster, etc... than women. 

Sean wrote: I'm in the room.

^should probably walk out now.

jsully wrote: Sean wrote: I'm in the room. ^should probably walk out now.