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    Posted: 3/08/15 at 10:58am
Was there a Games at the Arnold's this year. If so, any results?
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Arnold Strongman “Record Breakers”

On Sunday, March 8 at Noon on the Arnold Fitness EXPO Stage, the organizers of the Arnold Strongman Classic will debut a new event called “Record Breakers” in which athletes will attempt feats of strength that qualify for and will be recognized by Guinness World Records. The events will be judged by a panel of experts known as the Committee for the Study of Human Strength.

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The Weight Over Bar
— The popular Scottish Highland Games event entails slinging a 56-pound ring-weight between one’s legs and over a bar. The current record, set in September 2014 by Iceland’s Hafthor Bjornsson, is 19 feet, 2 inches. The bar for this competition will begin at 19 feet, 3 inches. Bjornsson and Mike Zolkiewicz will compete.

Thor broke the 19'3" !
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my question would be: Does this count as an official HG World record ?
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Wulbert      I believe it has to be in an actual Games with 5 or more events to count as a HG record.
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Did Zolk throw? And if so what height?my daughter who follows him on book of faces said their was issues with his flight to colombus
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Why wouldn't it count ???
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Zolk is the best WOB thrower in HG, hands down.

Thor, currently, is the best WOB thrower in the world.  19'2" last year and 19'3" this year says so.    

I doubt that it's any consolation to Zolk that he is the "HG record holder" knowing that someone has thrown it higher.  

We should all just be thankful that more strongman competitors don't do WOB. 
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Originally posted by DStewart DStewart wrote:

Why wouldn't it count ???

As I said above, to be a Highland Games record, it has to be thrown in a Games. A 1 event exhibition does not a Games make. If you don't believe me, ask Ryan Vierra about a hammer he threw once. It was a monster throw and hasn't been duplicated since (at least to my knowledge), but it was an exhibition, so it is not the record.
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Originally posted by mike landrich mike landrich wrote:

If you don't believe me, ask Ryan Vierra about a hammer he threw once. It was a monster throw and hasn't been duplicated since (at least to my knowledge), but it was an exhibition, so it is not the record.

Ryan threw 156'5 in exhibition in 1998, which would have been the record by about 20" at the time.

Bruce threw 156'8.5" in 2000, which was good until Dan's 157'7" last year.



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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Originally posted by mike landrich mike landrich wrote:

If you don't believe me, ask Ryan Vierra about a hammer he threw once. It was a monster throw and hasn't been duplicated since (at least to my knowledge), but it was an exhibition, so it is not the record.

Ryan threw 156'5 in exhibition in 1998, which would have been the record by about 20" at the time.

Bruce threw 156'8.5" in 2000, which was good until Dan's 157'7" last year.




Good to know. I thought Ryan's Stanford throw was longer than that. All monster throws

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Question:

Who decided (and who do they think actually empowered them to do so) that a record could only be set at a full scale Highland Games?



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Well lets see, an Olympic record has to be set at the Olympics, despite someone doing better at the same event somewhere else. Using the same logic, why wouldn't a Highland Games record have to be set at an actual Highland Games? Let the event record stand, but it's not a Highland Games record.

Maybe a better Olympic example is that there is a 100m record and a decathlon 100m record. Guess what, the guys who do multiple events have a slower record. The fact that it is part of a larger event is taken into consideration
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I think the point the Gerry it trying to make...and while I disagree with Gerry's continued attacks on Francis....I have to say this.  

The original "American" Rules for the games stated  records had to be set in a full meet.  This IS NOT a Scottish tradition.  It was American and then every subsequent set of rules that was written after that included this "rule".  There should be not reason we can't have individual meets.  It would be great to have single events with other events that draw bigger crowds (like half time at a football game, or at a county fair, etc, etc.  

This is a silly rule that hamstrings the HG.  But maybe that's what some people want.   Because this whole "Real Games" argument has also gotten diced to pieces.  
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Originally posted by mike landrich mike landrich wrote:

Well lets see, an Olympic record has to be set at the Olympics, despite someone doing better at the same event somewhere else. Using the same logic, why wouldn't a Highland Games record have to be set at an actual Highland Games? Let the event record stand, but it's not a Highland Games record.

Maybe a better Olympic example is that there is a 100m record and a decathlon 100m record. Guess what, the guys who do multiple events have a slower record. The fact that it is part of a larger event is taken into consideration



So by this logic, which I agree with btw, the World Record in this event is held by Thor. 

Zolk holds the class record, which in this case is the HG record.  Kinda like your decathlon example above, and the Masters, Lightweights, etc.. records.  They aren't really 'world records' per se, but rather class records. 



Originally posted by JWC III JWC III wrote:

There should be not reason we can't have individual meets.  It would be great to have single events with other events that draw bigger crowds (like half time at a football game, or at a county fair, etc, etc.  

This is a silly rule that hamstrings the HG.  But maybe that's what some people want.   Because this whole "Real Games" argument has also gotten diced to pieces.  



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In IPF/USAPL powerlifting, a person who sets a BP (for example) record in a full 3-lift meet can also claim the single-lift BP record if the lift exceeds the existing single-lift record. The reverse is not true, however. A person who sets a single-lift record in a single-lift competition can't claim the full meet record in that lift (pg 32 of the IPF rulebook at the link below).

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules/2015_V2_IPF_Technical_Rules_Book_2015_classic_rules_in_back_section.pdf

This might be a useful procedure for HG events as well, IMHO.
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I'm not sure we should adopt anything from powerlifting, lol.  
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So no full games then. For me records should only be valid for sanctioned games.
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Sanctioned by who?  
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I will sanction all games that want it, for a small fee.  Just throwing that out there...
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It should be by governing bodies of Highland Games for example SHGA.
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I know you're from Scotland Capt slow but here in good old USA where the majority of highland games take place( and this is the North American Scottish games website) we have NO Governing/Sanctioning org.
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Originally posted by Captain Slow Captain Slow wrote:

It should be by governing bodies of Highland Games for example SHGA.


That's not how USA games work. There isn't, nor will there ever be, a governing body.
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Sorry, I have to support the concept of "Highland Games" world records needing to be set as part of a games where at least 5 events are contested. 

I think I see the bottom of the slippery slope, where people are all specialists and only compete in a few events (at most).

Not to take anything away from Hafthor's accomplishment - its a legitimate record of some sort - and, for sure, he could come out to a games, fuddle his way through the other events and set that record, what little I know of him, I don't think he would want to do that unless he is seriously competing.

Our "official" records are kept by Adam, and while, he takes in community sentiment, in the end he makes the final decision.
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Originally posted by JWC III JWC III wrote:

There should be not reason we can't have individual meets.  It would be great to have single events with other events that draw bigger crowds (like half time at a football game, or at a county fair, etc, etc.  

This is a silly rule that hamstrings the HG.  But maybe that's what some people want.   Because this whole "Real Games" argument has also gotten diced to pieces.  

Just for shits and grins let's chase this thought out a bit and see where it leads. There are several games that use an actual steel shot (or hammer head) for the open stone event. A record set with that implement would be legit if it weighed in. There are also different games that use different trig configurations, and records set on those are considered legit. Some games throw off of different surfaces (and there is no rule in any rule set I know of that says you have to throw off of grass) so concrete should be legit. So say we travel back in time just a few weeks shy of 25 years to May 20, 1990. And just for shits and grins imagine we're in lovely Westwood, CA. It was a beautiful sunny day. All the rules were followed. The implement weighed sixteen pounds (and they say just a shade over). And by the reasoning above, the HG World Record for the open stone is 75'10" and is held by Randy Barnes.
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And say what you will about the advantage of throwing off of concrete, at least Randy made his toss on a LEVEL field, not chucked off a cliff like Estes Park or any number of other venues.

There's a reason I never addressed records or record keeping when I wrote my rule set. Gigantic bag of squirming worms. My only contribution was to suggest to Adam that he keep absolute records on stones (no heavier stone has been thrown farther) because of the variation in weights.
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The way we throw on the Estes Park field is different than when Sandford threw his record there. The only thing that is even a slight decline is in the LH. And it is slight. Thin air plays the biggest role there. No cliff Carlos.
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^ghosts from the Overlook hotel take the implements extra distance in Estes. You know that. Sheesh.
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