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    Posted: 9/27/15 at 8:27pm
Now that the MWC and the USLW champs is over its time to stir up the hornets nest.

I have a huge issue with weigh ins the day before a games. Every time I had to weigh in it was the morning of the game. Why? Because When you actually throw, not the night before, is when you have to be <200 or <190.

The whole idea is you THROW AT THAT WEIGHT. So I am asking all AD's who run a US LW Championships, a World Lightweight championships and the MWC to make the weigh in the morning of. If guys travel and can't make weight, then they shouldn't be throwing in that class. 

And yes if its a 2 day games you must make weight both days.
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Just think it's. Healthier and safety issue to weigh in the night before. I mean how much can you gain?? 
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I have gaind 14 by the end of the day after morning weigh inn. And yes dan its safer to have 24hr weigh inns. If you cant time your weight loss thats your problom not all the other guys in the class.
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God Forbid guys actually throw at the weight they are supposed to.
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Brian-

If you have any more issues with me or the way I do things then I'll find a solution for you, but it may not be the one you want.

You are way more trouble than you are worth. Keep your issues to yourself or piss off. 

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It's not my issue, its a class issue and it is something that several wish to have addressed. Its being asked of any AD holding a championship, not just you.

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Originally posted by dWood dWood wrote:

Just think it's. Healthier and safety issue to weigh in the night before. I mean how much can you gain?? 


Honestly? If you know what you're doing, about 20# in 24hrs.

The only reason health and safety come into the equation is if you have guys doing major weight cutting. If they are walking around 2-3# over during mid-day, then weighing in before breakfast, they're probably making weight easy.

Olympic weightlifting does weigh-ins day of. Usually within 2hrs of lifting. There's your competition weight.

Powerlifting and MMA do 24 hour weigh ins. Weight cutting is an art form at the higher levels. 242s competing as 220s. 220s competing as 198s. This is reality.

I've got no dog in this fight, but claims of health and safety are ridiculous unless guys are cutting more than 10# to make weight.

That being said, if it's 24hr weigh ins, I say learn to game the system.
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OK. A few years back at a Biggest Loser contest at work-dropped from 245 to 219(came in 3rd). If I buckle down and drop from 248(now) to 215 to 220 range will do the 24 hr weigh in while dropping water weight(have read the powerlifting giants who do this ie; Kroc,JM Blakely,brian Carrol) then carb/rehydrate up and throw. Sounds like a plan(im serious and think it would be good for me!)im on the treadmill as we speak(fasted/am cardio)
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Originally posted by Sean Sean wrote:


Powerlifting and MMA do 24 hour weigh ins. Weight cutting is an art form at the higher levels. 242s competing as 220s. 220s competing as 198s. This is reality.


Not all PL is 24-hour weigh in: USAPL/IPF are 2 hour.
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Thanks for adding to the conversation.
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I will gladly weigh in the morning each day of a competition like we used to. I will weigh before each event in my kilt because I am a TRUE lightweight. ( I'm a lightweight drinker also so that makes me a cheap date) Big smile  If you want to loose 10 20 30 or more pounds to compete with me lets weigh in each day of the competition. Safety ? maybe it would be safer and healthier to weigh under 200 all year !

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Originally posted by jimgem jimgem wrote:

I will gladly weigh in the morning each day of a competition like we used to. I will weigh before each event in my kilt because I am a TRUE lightweight. ( I'm a lightweight drinker also so that makes me a cheap date) Big smile  If you want to loose 10 20 30 or more pounds to compete with me lets weigh in each day of the competition. Safety ? maybe it would be safer and healthier to weigh under 200 all year !

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Brian-

Drop it and leave us out of all your nonsense. Please don't use our name in your blather.

We are not changing our program and if you don't like it then you don't have to participate.

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Well put
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Cutting weight in the Heavy Events. Good lord. I can see a pound or two because you are close to that BW, but 10+ pounds? If that's the case then just throw with the rest of us.

BTW. As in all cases, the AD decides what and when. End of story.
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As a lightweight who has only ever cut weight once, and it was a whopping 2 pounds, I have absolutely no problem with people cutting to make weight. If they are willing to put forth the effort to gain that advantage, all the power to them. To me, the people who complain about weight cuts sounds comparable to someone who refuses to lift weights, and then complains because they aren't as strong as their competitors and that's not fair. We as athletes have to make a conscious decision to take advantage, or not to, of certain things made available to us.
As for when weigh ins are held, my thoughts turn towards consistency. Either do day of, or night before at every competition. Either way is fine by me (although I recognize my opinion is only mine, and I'm not saying we should do one or the other. I honestly don't care which we do.) But to reach consistency, we are pretty much gonna require either a governing body (how many times has that been argued about?) Or a lot of cooperation. I'm not an AD, so my dog in the fight of how games are going to be run is fairly nonexistent. But those are my thoughts. Now that I've written them I don't feel like they offer any solutions, but rather just a point of view from one of the Lightweight Athletes.
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Two things (mind you this is from a 300# man who really doesn't give two sh#ts):

1) 24 hour weigh-ins are just downright stupid...in any athletic venture.  Weigh-in morning of.  Bring what you got.

2) Eat more and this problem goes away. LOL
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Never understood the 24 hour weigh in for LW class. Kinda ruins the purpose the class was created

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Hey-

We'll do weigh-ins the same next year as we did this year ... same as we've done since MWC 2003.

Don't like it don't come.

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From a Strongman promoter/HG AD perspective, I will add one thing that I don't think was mentioned. It is much easier to get weigh-ins done the night before and get score sheets ready to go vs one more thing to do the morning of the event. I have more than enough to do without weighing in athletes, some of whom may be a fraction over and will sweatsuit up and run around in the sun to shed the last few ounces, resulting in multiple weigh-ins. Sometimes you just need to man up and say "Oh well , that's just the way it is" and throw/lift/whatever.

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I'm not good at losing weight.  I'm good at gaining weight, especially when I travel.  I appreciate the time cushion.

I also coach weightlifting and powerlifting at the national level and those who are good at cutting weight in a short period of time are also good at recovering in the two hour window.  I don't think it would make much difference to be honest.  

But for those of us who are not so good at the keeping the weight at bay (I will gain 5 lbs throughout the day, 8-10 lbs from a day of competing and recovery eating/drinking) the 24 hours is good.  Especially if I have to travel.  For example, for this competition, I dieted down to 150 and then had to go all day Thursday without eating and drinking minimally (even though I'd done a water cut) and weighed in at 152.8.  For us masters women (in peri or full blown menopause) a 24 hour weigh in greatly reduces anxiety.

Anyway, thanks for maintaining the standard, I, for one, really appreciate it.  

  


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lol, this thread is just silly.

This isn't powerlifting. This isn't strongman. This isn't Olympic weightlifting.

This is the Highland Games. The grandfather of all strength sports. Do you think they had 24 hour weigh ins 1000 years ago?

However, in modern day politically correct America, we have to appeal to the masses and create as many chances to get a trophy as possible. I can only assume we'll also create a Transgender class soon as well, right? More records for AGM to keep track of. More classes. More opportunities for trophies. I can imagine the hard work the AD's have to go through. It sounds exhausting running all of that.

1) if you don't walk around <200 (or <190) then wtf are you doing competing with those that do?
2) if you feel the need to cut 10-15lbs to make weight, then wtf are you doing competing with those that don't?

Once upon a time, people worked hard to achieve greatness. Now we just keep adding more and more classes so we can all call ourselves great. Smh.
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Nope-

It's not it at all.

We have 150 people who what to compete. We need to have some type of logistics to move 150 people through 9 events in 10-12 hours. The weight class is simply a product of our logistics. It does not mean what you think it means.

I matched up all the people with their best competitive peers to improve the competition.

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AND ...

It worked.

We had many new record throws.

Because the face to face matchups by age and size stimulates the senses.

That's what its for.

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It seems like not everyone knows why this got started...again.  So...


Wechter won the MWC lightweights and is 220lbs.

BUT  

He weighed in at 199.6, fair and square, like everyone else.

You can see where this is going...


Kevin and the MWC have indicated that current weigh-in process is not going to change for that event. 

So, the little guys have two options it seems:

1)  Eat more food and squat more to get bigger, then cut to make the class just like lifting, fighting, etc...
2)  Take a stand and don't come because you don't like the rules. 


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I propose that will eliminate weigh-ins altogether, and just check for the much sought-after "thigh-gap."  
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Cant have every person in the same class. I love that all ad. Have say of thare games it eliminates 100 mr percent of all crap game day. Mr. Rogers im looking forword to getting older and seeing you on the field agen.
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