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caber1
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Topic: How close to competition do you throw?Posted: 8/29/04 at 4:08pm |
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Has anybody come up with anything definitive from years of study or is it still a personal thing on how to train coming into a games.?
Had a great competition on the weekend but of course the things I hadn't practiced much came back to haunt me. So now I want to practice them all week plus the things I was practicing most of and did good at I want to work on to continue to do well for the competition coming this weekend.
I was thinking two events each day up until Wednesday and then just drills and visualization until the games on Saturday.
I'm curious what the thinking is out there.
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Posted: 8/29/04 at 5:12pm |
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Not that I know that much about the subject, I'm still pretty new at HGs. But I read something about two weeks ago that said the rest one gets 2 days prior to an athletic competition or lifting event is THE most important. |
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Posted: 8/29/04 at 5:40pm |
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So you're saying the rest one gets on that day, 2 days prior or that you should have complete rest for two days prior?
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DAVE CHENEY4
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 12:02am |
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I USUALLY THROW EVERY DAY BUT ON THE WEEK OF A GAMES I STOP AND TAKE OFF THURS. AND FRIDAY. SOME TIMES ITS HARD TO FIGHT THE ERGE TO PRACTICE BUT IT DOES PAY OFF TO REST. -DAVE |
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 4:08am |
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This would be a great topic to research. Any one out there working on a masters degree, this is you thesis. The amount of time before a games to rest is still personal, but it also depends upon what you are doing before hand. If you are throwing hard on Wednesday, you need to back off entirely for a competition on Saturday or Sunday. The body needs to rest. While you are new at the events, you will see big gains made from increasing your skills. After that you will flatten out. I would suggest that if you are competing on Saturday, that you only work on an event or two which needs some work or fine tuning. Do so on Monday and or Tuesday, then rest. You might do your weights on Wednesday, but these should be light and essentially going through the motions. Doing a 400# squat on Wednesday is not going to improve your throws on Saturday. Think of it this way. If you were a sprinter, you would not complete a hard sprint workout on Thursday or Friday before the big Saturday meet, and your Wednesday workout would be simple such as starts, and some easy 3/4 runs. |
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dave brown
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 5:51am |
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Great topic – Coach Mac would probably have the best answer to this (from a hands-on perspective of training with top athletes for a number of years). Sounds to me like there’s two topics – how to train prior to a comp, and perhaps how to rest prior to a comp. For training I’d venture to say there are two main factors – physical and mental preparation. For myself, the physical preparation includes ‘quick-movements’ a few weeks prior to the competition – to stimulate the fast-twitch muscles and create more speed in the throw. An example would be to stop heavy lifting and switch to more jumping, or light & explosive lifting to get the body in the habit of moving quicker. I also focus more on the ‘details’ of the throw – always training with a trig, and even doing warm-ups outside the trig, and then 3 throws behind the trig – to really simulate the upcoming competition. Other details of a throw include the various ‘pulls’ in the hammer. Whether pulling across, above, around or down in front of the body, I try to work each of these through a series of slow to fast winds – and then the throws behind the trig as indicated. For this week, With respect to mental training – the more you can make practices simulate a competition – the better you should be able to focus during a comp. Avoid over-psyching yourself prior to the comp – and just relax the day before (both your body AND MIND). Many times, I’ll intentionally go to a movie or a shopping area the day just to keep my mind off of throwing. On the day of, you’re going to think of throwing anyway, and keep in mind that you’ll need to be mentally ready almost once every 15 minutes for the entire day – I’d be interested how others deal with this particular facet of the comp. My two cents. Dave |
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 6:35am |
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Caber,
You asked.. <<<So you're saying the rest one gets on that day, 2 days prior or that you should have complete rest for two days prior? The meat of the article stated that the rest 2 days prior was most important. I.e. if you got only 5 hours sleep 2 days prior, then 11 hours the day before, it would not be as productive as getting 8 hours sleep 2 days before and 8 hours the night before. Same amount of rest, but 1st case was inadequete rest 2 days out. |
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 9:16am |
Aren't you going motorcycle riding this week? |
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Posted: 8/30/04 at 11:44pm |
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Speaking for myself i find lifting 85 to 90% of max pulls /pushes etc mon and wed and some throwing on the tues with rest thurs/fri works best for me,and i beleive some elite highland athletes like mr aitken follows something along these lines aswell.
steve ps that dave brown throws those weights far too far and high,good job with that modified style at ballater dave. |
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Posted: 8/31/04 at 3:14am |
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Posted: 8/31/04 at 7:29am |
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Well I think I'm going to go with the two day out rest. I'll still probably do some footwork drills and maybe some roation stuff for the hammer but no throws.
This late in the season I generally don't do any lifting because I don't feel I'm going to get any stronger in the days before and I'm much more concerned with feeling comfortable in my technique.
Lots of visualization and I do agree with an earlier reply about the importance of nutrition. Not stuffing myself but keeping a steady stream of good food going in. I find it helps with the endurance aspect and I don't feel so tired in the later events.
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Posted: 8/31/04 at 8:43am |
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Borges... it seems you're probably the fourth person to remind me of my stupidity two years ago - when I decided to get footloose and fancy on a crotch-rocket in the foothills of California, which resulted in a ride to the hospital the week of the Pleasanton games - Worlds competition no less. I'm just glad to be back in action and throwing again. On your question - the answer is 'no'.. I'm not riding the bike (at least not this week, or until after New Hampshire). Missed seeing you at Vierra's on Sunday - a lot of good throws by good throwers... was great to finally be at a practice that Coach Mac attended - both good to hear comment, and then not-so-good to hear somewhat simply concepts that should have been incorporated many throws ago. Regarding a posted note above on Ballater - I heard big Mike Smith was trying the WOB style in a clinic last Saturday. Needless to say, I think it's harder than it looks - I heard he went 13'6". Dave |
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Posted: 8/31/04 at 9:09am |
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Dave, I had planned to head out there but I got hung up on some ongoing home improvement projects. Good luck this weekend. You've got your work cut out for you with Sean and Ryan going the way they have been lately. Beat East Coast Dave B. |
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Posted: 9/01/04 at 2:12am |
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I'll usually throw on Sunday and Monday before a Saturday games. And my last workout will usually be on Tuesday or Wednesday. So I'll take 2-3 days completely off from doing anything before games. But that works for me, not sure about others.
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Posted: 9/01/04 at 5:46am |
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PEAKING....this is a GREAT subject ! THe Div-1
coaches are jealous of our T + F throwers at the community college level as we only have to peak once a year while they are sometimes required to do it 3-4 times ( Indoors-Outdoors-Nationals -Oly trials ect. ) THe most common approach is to just cut back the volumne...we try to actually OVER-compensate and then synchronize the reduced volumne of lifting with increaed volumne of throwing. This can be done quite effectively with OVERSPEED movements both on the field and in the wt-room. I would ERROR on the side of rest before a BIG games...! GOOD LUCK in all your endevors...
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