2012 Women's Worlds - Phoenix, AZ

Here are the names of the wonderful ladies invited to the 2012 Women's World Championship in Phoenix, AZ

Adrian Wilson
Kate Burton
Lacy Johnson
Emily Burchett
Kristy Scott
Kristina Sisseck
Sara Hilgers
Kate Grammer
Karyn Dallimore
Josee Morneau

I will keep this thread updated once each accepts their invite.

Thanks
Richard Wells

RP-

Ooohh.. I should have said something sooner..  But then again.. you probably already know..

-RP- wrote: Does anyone have contact info for Katie Steingraeber,

http://nasgaweb.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8633

Alan H wrote: A comment, here... If someone just does a few Games a year, they very well might wind up on the "Womens A"  (or Womens B) part of the database, but not in the "Womens" part.  Case in point...go look up Shannon Popp in the "Womens A" section for 2011 and I believe you'll see her ranked at #7.  Heather MacDonald is ranked at #8.  Bethany Owen is ranked at #12  ...2011, "Womens A" rankings. Go find those same women in the "Womens" ranking and you'll discover that  Shannon Popp is down at #50, Heather is #13 or something and Bethany is  about #32. How could it be that Beth Burton is not even listed..at all.... in the "Womens" database, but ranks at #4 or something in the "womens A"?  Shannon  Popp is another good example of how the rankings can be deceiving.  Shannon threw at four Games last year.  Three of them had a  Womens A class, so her numbers all got entered in "Womens A" here on NASGA. The event where they didn't have enough ladies for a "Womens A" class, also  didn't happen to throw sheaf, so in the "Womens" results she has a "0" for sheaf, which killed her in the rankings. What made it worse is that apparently that Games didn't throw Braemar stone either, so she has a "0" for that as well.  WHAMMO... I just picked these four women...Bethany, Beth, Shannon and Heather because I happen to know them all pretty well. If a Games has a Womens A class, and those results get entered in "Womens A" here on NASGA, then those results don't show up in the "Womens" database. It's not an automatic overlap. Just a suggestion, my two cents.... AD's might want to look at actual numbers and look over BOTH the "Women" rankings and the "Women A" ranking when figuring out the invitations to the Worlds, and  IHGF Amateur worlds and events like that..

To add to this as well, many of the top Canadian Women who are ranked on CSAF's ranking page have no scores on Nasga.

I mean... AD's can run events however they darned well want.  I mean no disrespect here, and Lord knows that I'm 100% for giving the lasses some top-notch competition, and good venues to throw at.

Still,  if you're going to call an event "The Worlds"... or something high-falutin' like that, it only makes sense to make sure that you've  at least covered most of your bases, in terms of finding the best throwers you can.  'nuff. No more bitchin' about it!

Hey RP,

Sorry I never meant to come across as if I was criticizing you about your line up, I merely wanted to point out that there is a CSAF ranking page in case you did not know and that some of the women on there do not show up on NASGA's.

Thanks
Ray

Seriously, no disrespect or anything. Its not directed at anyone in particular, it was just what was on my mind.

-RP- wrote: I get NO MONEY to run athletics for Phoenix or Tucson! This is totally volunteer time. If ANYONE wants to question my methods and practices, please feel free to come to Phoenix and discuss it with me face to face. If you feel you can run a better games, feel free to move to Phoenix and take over for me!

Having been an AD for a small Games here in CA, I um... "feel your pain"!   You only have so many dollars to work with, you have to work with the Games committee which is probably ALL about pipe bands and more pipe bands. .... Or Living History re-enactors (my committee) and so on.  Simple truth...the dude who does the work, makes the calls. Period.

So no grief from me. Nope. 

But here's a thought.  You are in the enviable position of inheriting the "Womens World Championships" which have been run for several years now. OK, so it's weird, in that it's at the beginning of the season, but there you go. You HAVE it.  You are uniquely poised to take your event and actually significantly change the landscape of Womens Highland Athletics, and how the womens end of it is viewed.  I'm dead serious, here.

Here's the thing..... the Womens Worlds has no competing venue.  It's not like the mens, where there's a Scottish  sanctioning body...or two.... and then there's NASGA here in the US and Canada, but *whoops*  a bunch of the Canadian ladies  (and probably men, too)  don't have scores here, they have scores on the Canadian board.  It's a beeeootch  for the AD to have to go look all this stuff.  Now, there are men and women throwing in Europe.  Hey some of those chicks from Germany and Iceland throw pretty good. How about Australia and New Zealand?

There's a reason why guys like Aaron Neighbor and Hans Llokema  get invited to Games in the US.

Now, I have NO IDEA how to figure out what the marks are, that are put up by the lasses from Germany, France, Iceland, Australia and New Zealand.  I bet that Ryan and Francis can help, though.

So here's a thought. It's gonna cost money, there's no question about it. Try to make this the honest to God, no holds barred, WORLDS.  Not North Americans.....WORLDS. Invite the woman who throws the biggest numbers in Iceland, in Germany, maybe in France, and in  Australia and New Zealand...well, if their numbers are some-sort-of competitive.

Hey, I know what you're up against.  It comes down to dollars....airfare from Australia ain't cheap.  It also comes down to convincing your committee that it's worth it, and that may not be so easy.

Here's a thought.... don't think of this as  us bitching at you. Seriously.... I'm absolutely serious about that, because man...I'm not in your shoes and I have enough problems with my own Games Committee.  Think of it as an opportunity. I know, I know that sounds like bullshit "feelgood" talk, but I'm serious.  Maybe not this year... but 2013?  GO FOR IT, RP!

Change the face of womens highland athletics. You have the unique opportunity to do exactly that.

This is just my two cents, which is worth less, considering inflation. :lol:

^^ That. 

Use the 'all women' setting and you should get exactly what you need.  The cool thing about that is that everyone knows how the database works and the numbers don't lie.   

As for the Canadian issue, they can put their scores in the North American Scottish Games Athletics database just like anyone else if they want to be considered.  Hell, if there are girls overseas they can do the same. 

Alan, it's all about $$$...don't expect an athlete to spend $1,500-2,000 to travel to a games where they'll win a few hundred bucks and don't expect a games committee to suddenly give you $10,000 or so more money to enrich a championship that you're already hosting. Aaron Neighbor or Hans Lolkema, etc. will come to a games here because they make $ doing it and the AD did his homework and invited them. I'm not even sure the average games attendee even cares, they'll come regardless...

Oh, and the final list for both the WWC and Pro classes should be posted by Wednesday next week.

OK, just a challenge here.  What are the numbers put up by the Iceland women at the event in 2011?  who can show them to us?

There have been Games in Germany.  Women have thrown. What are their numbers?
There are Games in Australia and New Zealand.  have any women thrown?  What are their numbers?

Craig, the NORTH AMERICAN  SGA...."us".... maintains records for NORTH AMERICAN throwers. That includes Canada, and the Canadian ladies can, and should if they want to, enter in their scores.

But how about women from other countries?   Why should they be expected to enter their scores in the North American database in order to garner an application to the WORLD Championships?   I sure don't see Craig Sinclair putting in HIS scores.  Or Sebastian Wenta or Hans Llokema or Aaron Neighbor.   Yet they get invitations.  Why?  Because their numbers are available to be seen and they're damn good throwers.  Why should the women be any different?

It doesn't make sense.

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I want to re-emphasize that I'm NOT dissing RP here. Heck, I actually don't know the guy behind the NASGA handle!  He's the AD, we get to go to his Games, we can all be pleased if we get an invitation, or a reply to our application and when we get there, there are trigs in place and weights to throw.  Aside from that, we all can politely just shut up and not give  the the man a load of shit.   SO SO SO true.

Alan H wrote: What are the numbers put up by the Iceland women at the event in 2011?  who can show them to us?

also, LOL @ how Adriane is in a league of her own there.. huge marks