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    Posted: 1/19/05 at 3:18am

Hey-

I'm being very serious here.

I work in the field of environmental exposure to carcinogens. In years past I conducted investigations for the EPA for a variety of contamination issues and sites around the midwest, including lead and zinc. Currently, I conduct surveilance monitoring for pesticide contamination related to production agriculture in Illinois. 

The process of melting lead causes a lead vapor, which is extremely poisonous and can be easily inhaled. Melting lead should always occur in a well-ventilated area in the absence of children or pregnant women, as they are most vulnerable to the harmful effects of lead poisoning.

Prevent skin contact and prevent eye contact from the vapor!

The target organs for lead exposure are the eyes, GI tract, Central Nervous System (including brain), kidneys and blood.

Since it lead bioaccumulates in the brain and kidney it can cause a long list of health problems with symptoms ranging from encephalopathy to kidney disease. 

Please be very, very careful with melting lead and its vapors.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/19/05 at 4:51am
Shoot why the warning? None of us throwing have brains and most kill their kidneys the 'Fun' way anyhow
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Hey Brian-

I know that its too late for some of us, but don't let all the new guys think they can just go melt lead in the garage or basement without some warning.

Lead poisoning is a real concern. Somebody could cause real harm to their self, wife or kids while making these weights at home if they don't take it serious and provide for ventilation of the lead vapor.

Its only as serious as, ... brain damage.

-HammerHead

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I try to counter balance the effect of the lead by snorting an ounce or two of mercury!

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Kevin's got a real point here, and I have been remiss in failing to mention this in my past posts about making lead weights.  As an engineer, I just ASSume that people understand the hazards involved in this sort of thing, but that's just a horrible assumption when you talk about the ordinary person on the street.

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Where does one even get lead to make weights and how do you melt it using normal gear?
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I know I know....Just making a funny is all
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Ive got over 80# of lead from previous weights that anyone that wants it can come pick it up.

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Originally posted by McBain1975 McBain1975 wrote:

Where does one even get lead to make weights and how do you melt it using normal gear?

I have quite a bit of lead I've picked up for free from various sources that just wanted to get rid of it (e.g., diving weights, etc.).  You can also buy it from places that make automotive batteries, which used to be quite common but are now less so.  There's also used tire weights, as mentioned by Dave Carl.

You can use a propane, MAPP gas, or acetylene torch to melt it.  You wouldn't want to use a garden-variety propane torch to melt a lot, but could use one to melt a small amount for tweaking the weight of an iron blob.  If you've got a big torch, you can heat a whole can of lead from the outside, which greatly reduces the amount of lead vapor that is produced.  If you have to play the flame directly on the lead, be extra special careful with ventilation (but you're doing that anyway, right?).

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Doria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/19/05 at 1:09pm
By the time you get done screwing around trying to save ten dollars with lead weights, you'd be better off buying them from Bobby Dodd, or old Celt, or Merle from Illinois.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Bogue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/20/05 at 12:56am
my thoughts exactly
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote damon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/20/05 at 1:14am
Originally posted by G-man G-man wrote:

I try to counter balance the effect of the lead by snorting an ounce or two of mercury!

 

I thought mercury was for sipping after dinner.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JWC III Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/20/05 at 11:40am
Kevin, I agree.  One time I was refurbishing a claw foot bath tub and I didn't realize the 20 layers of paint I was taking off with a grinder was lead, no face mask, eclosed are....I was sick for a week.  I know alot of guys who a smelting their own lead and it is very dangerous unless you take precautions and even then "caveat emptor" (sp)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coach Mac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/20/05 at 5:07pm
Well this article EXPLAINS a lot...!!!


#1-"if" you think that smelling the fumes is bad for
your health....try getting caught with melted lead in
the kitchen using the "new" Christmas pots and
pans stirred with the family heirloom
silverware....OUCH ! ! !

(F.Y.I.-the better -half is a Parole agent who works in
a gang unit in South Central Los Angelas and
yes...she does carry a weapon...

#2- I thought the "white-hair" (a.k.a. blond) ) was the
natural aging process...?
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I just melted some lead in my turkey cooker.  The turkey tasted the same afterwards.  No one seemed to notice the slight metallic taste.  JUST KIDDING ANCIENT ONE.  But not kidding what are the risks of using lead throwing weights.  If I throw in the pasture will the horse get lead poisoning? Do I need to be concerned about lead residue on the hands?

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Perhaps Kevin can comment on the possibility that grass could absorb lead from groundwater:  it's not obvious to me that it can.  I doubt there's any risk to the horse anyway, because you don't leave the implement there for extended periods of time.  Lead can leach into water, but at a very low rate that depends on the surface area presented to the environment:  the accumulation of lead bird shot is a problem in wetlands, for example.

If you wash your hands after throwing, there shouldn't be any risk of your being poisoned.

-Wayne
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote grasshopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1/21/05 at 6:37am
We just had a chemical hygene officer come to our school and take all of
or lead shot used for measuring density away. He said it created to much
lead dust that kids could get on thier skin. I told him he was an a-hole,
and hid mine under the sink before he could find them.

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Hey Larry-

All of the weights that I throw are "steel-encased" lead while my hammers are not "steel-encased". Therefore, my lead hammer heads are really much more likely to cause lead exposure to the thrower than the weights. So, it depends on what you're throwing. If I had little kids at home, I would really be careful about my hammers rolling around in my car/truck and the kids being anywhere near em.

The Old Celt and AncientTechnologies use a welded steel case to pour lead into the weights and then seals the case, while Mjolnir Hammers uses cast iron for weights and hammer heads. The cast iron weights and hammers are safer, but have larger diameters and may not fly as far. So, like all things in life ... its a trade-off.

There is certainly a human health risk to lead residue on your hands from lead weights. You should take it seriously and use common sense after handling lead weights. If its a steel encased weight then the risk is probably nill. If its a home-made lead weight then the risk of lead exposure is probably significant to the thrower and even greater for the builder.

If you're interested, Google search "lead exposure".

Your horses are probably at greater risk of being hit by lightning than developing health problems from your divots.

Good luck in your training,

-MajorDivot



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So, you're saying that the divots of lead weights attract lightning.  Huh, who knew?

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Hey Wayne-

 

No, you're just being silly now.

 

The difference between what I said and what you concluded,...

 

is the same as the difference between, ...

 

 

...   "lightning"    ... and ...    "lightning bug".

 

 

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