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    Posted: 8/03/12 at 3:43pm
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Sweet...does that mean I have a chance in hell?  LOL.

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Love when the gliders win...I always threw with a glide and justified it as being a more 'stable technique'. So it is nice when the last 3 olympics were won by gliders.
 
Having said that, the extra trig space as well as the option of starting one foot outside of the trig in heavy events makes the spin much more appealing (to me, at least).
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this guy.

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Great pic...someone had to say it...

NBC devoted a solid 15 seconds on his nose picking...which will be more about 10 seconds more than what  NBC will air tonight of the actual competition.
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The glide is more effective in the higher ranks simply due to less than can go wrong. It's also helps to be almost 7 feet tall Wink
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Originally posted by BKetch BKetch wrote:

Great pic...someone had to say it...

NBC devoted a solid 15 seconds on his nose picking...which will be more about 10 seconds more than what  NBC will air tonight of the actual competition.


i give the fella loads of credit for his skill, all the training and his accomplishments. amazing athlete.
but not for nothing.....if you're at the Olympics and you have a camera in your face, maybe then isnt a good time to start picking your nose.


.....btw, if you post while expat shield is on and watching weightlifting.....the above stuff comes up in your post and you cant delete it.
sorry.
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I knew I was doing something right. I would laugh if more and more coaches started encouraging the glide again.

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Originally posted by BKetch BKetch wrote:

Great pic...someone had to say it...

NBC devoted a solid 15 seconds on his nose picking...which will be more about 10 seconds more than what  NBC will air tonight of the actual competition.


TRUTH !!!

missed the nosepicking....
caught the final......

exactly ONE throw each shown for each of the medalists......they spent more airtime showing the american bronze medalist running to his family and waving his flag.....

***sigh***

anybody catch the womens shot final? I think the "woman" who won was in a hair band i used to listen to in the 80's......(s)he has really let her self go....... but she is strong.....


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I think the issue of spin vs. glide is obsolete.  I think this is an issue across the board with the U.S.  I think we need to take a look at how throwers are prepared for the big show.  It seems that the norm right now is to underperform at the big show compared to a personal best.  Training programs sucking maybe?  I don't know the answer but I think this is the discussion path we need to go down rather than glide vs. spin.  People have proven that both go far.  Hammer throwers under performed.  Discus throwers under performed.  Women's shot put under performed.  Women's javelin under performed.  (Men's javelin has yet to go.  Today I think.)

And...everything has pretty damn good coverage online so far.  I have watched every throw and every lift so far.  Just go to nbcolympics.com and click the "online listings" tab.  You can watch stuff that day or select a prior day.  Pretty simple.  










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Originally posted by john gallagher john gallagher wrote:

I think the issue of spin vs. glide is obsolete.  I think this is an issue across the board with the U.S.  I think we need to take a look at how throwers are prepared for the big show.  It seems that the norm right now is to underperform at the big show compared to a personal best.  Training programs sucking maybe?  I don't know the answer but I think this is the discussion path we need to go down rather than glide vs. spin.  People have proven that both go far.  Hammer throwers under performed.  Discus throwers under performed.  Women's shot put under performed.  Women's javelin under performed.  (Men's javelin has yet to go.  Today I think.)

And...everything has pretty damn good coverage online so far.  I have watched every throw and every lift so far.  Just go to nbcolympics.com and click the "online listings" tab.  You can watch stuff that day or select a prior day.  Pretty simple.  

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Originally posted by john gallagher john gallagher wrote:

I think the issue of spin vs. glide is obsolete.  I think this is an issue across the board with the U.S.  I think we need to take a look at how throwers are prepared for the big show.  It seems that the norm right now is to underperform at the big show compared to a personal best.  Training programs sucking maybe?  I don't know the answer but I think this is the discussion path we need to go down rather than glide vs. spin.  People have proven that both go far.  Hammer throwers under performed.  Discus throwers under performed.  Women's shot put under performed.  Women's javelin under performed.  (Men's javelin has yet to go.  Today I think.)
 
I agree with this. I watched the shotput only since I don't have cable and you have to have a cable account to watch the full replays at nbcolympics.com.
 
In that level of competition, you need to be throwing at or near PR distances. Cantwell was almost a full meter off of where he was throwing earlier this year. Hoffa and Whiting were a bit disappointing as well. Seems as if they missed their peak. I dunno.
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For NBC coverage, I just said I was a member of Media Com, then at the bottom of the page it says to enter your email for a temporary viewing pass.  If you need it again, just re enter your email.  Done it three times so far.  Hope this helps.

 
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Originally posted by john gallagher john gallagher wrote:

I think the issue of spin vs. glide is obsolete.  I think this is an issue across the board with the U.S.  I think we need to take a look at how throwers are prepared for the big show.  It seems that the norm right now is to underperform at the big show compared to a personal best.  Training programs sucking maybe?  I don't know the answer but I think this is the discussion path we need to go down rather than glide vs. spin.  People have proven that both go far.  Hammer throwers under performed.  Discus throwers under performed.  Women's shot put under performed.  Women's javelin under performed.  (Men's javelin has yet to go.  Today I think.)

And...everything has pretty damn good coverage online so far.  I have watched every throw and every lift so far.  Just go to nbcolympics.com and click the "online listings" tab.  You can watch stuff that day or select a prior day.  Pretty simple.  

 
I cannot speak for all throwing disciplines but the shot put is a very deep and tough field to crack if you want to represent the US at a big meet. We only take 3, 4 if we won worlds, and so much empahsis is put into peaking to hit a big throw at the trial meet. I think this is a big factor for them as to why they underperform at bigger meets, especially the Olympics. Programming wise it makes no sense to peak for the trials when you have to try and maintain that peak or hit another one a few weeks later at the games. Just my .02, but I believe other countries aren't as competitive so their top thrower really has nothing to worry about at their trials. It makes a whole world of difference when you know you are going to Worlds or the Olympics for sure as oppose to having to fight 5 or 6 others guys just to get 3rd.
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Should the trials be moved farther out?
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Originally posted by john gallagher john gallagher wrote:

I think the issue of spin vs. glide is obsolete.  I think this is an issue across the board with the U.S.  I think we need to take a look at how throwers are prepared for the big show.  It seems that the norm right now is to underperform at the big show compared to a personal best.  Training programs sucking maybe?  I don't know the answer but I think this is the discussion path we need to go down rather than glide vs. spin.  People have proven that both go far.  Hammer throwers under performed.  Discus throwers under performed.  Women's shot put under performed.  Women's javelin under performed.  (Men's javelin has yet to go.  Today I think.)

And...everything has pretty damn good coverage online so far.  I have watched every throw and every lift so far.  Just go to nbcolympics.com and click the "online listings" tab.  You can watch stuff that day or select a prior day.  Pretty simple.  


I don't know for a fact here, but I am assuming that money from wins in the diamond league series probably pay better than the olympics.  This is not to say athletes don't want to win medals, but that the top US athletes all compete in many diamond league events to pay their bills, so they have to maintain a high level almost all year long (especially if you include the indoor season).
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Mike, you then would get the argument from people if they still fail that there is to much time. I really think it's a matter of depth for the US. Our 4th, 5th, 6th, etc place guys could be competitively international where some countries would be lucky to get two competitive throwers.
 
Hapy, the money is miniscule in track and field regardless of where they throw especially for the US. Yes they want to see the best, but they also would rather see the home favorites and local celebrities at those Diamond League meets. Plus do you really think throwers are peaking for a what is a essentially a small meet. For these competitors the only meets that matter is national meets, worlds, and the Olympics.
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