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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

In fact the stronger you can be...at the lightest weight you can be...would make you the better competitor because you are moving less weight total...but with the strength to move the implement.

A better competitor in what?  Not HG.

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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

A better competitor in what?  Not HG.

So, and I am willing to hear if I am wrong, two guys...both dead 450lb and similar throwing technique but one weighs 300 and one weighs 230...

...in Highland Games the 300lb'er would be just as competitive as the 230'er and the fact that he is moving 70lbs more body weight at the same strength levels would not hamper him?

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And if I am wrong then you have destroyed all my hopes and dreams of highland games and I will have nothing left to look forward to......

 

(no pressure from the guy that gains like 1lb a year....)

 

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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

Strong does NOT equal big. 
  

I would have to say every Pro on the board would dissagree with this statement.

Tell me the guy in the red shorts is not strong...3 x body weight!

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Maybe I should fine tune that for the pedantics?   Hypertrophy does not necessarly equal strong...and strong does not necessarily equal hypertrophy.

ps....and Chad G is an AWESOME thrower...but not the biggest...just built right.  There's a pro for the non-beefy throwers.

Im not compairing strenght and BW. Im saying you have to have some ass to help move the weights around trig.

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I was attempting to keep everyone from goin blind sitting on the computer staring at tiny print did'nt realize it was a problem sorry i guess i generaly beleive everything in life should be big and bold! thanks again
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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

A better competitor in what?  Not HG.

So, and I am willing to hear if I am wrong, two guys...both dead 450lb and similar throwing technique but one weighs 300 and one weighs 230...

...in Highland Games the 300lb'er would be just as competitive as the 230'er and the fact that he is moving 70lbs more body weight at the same strength levels would not hamper him?

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from Testosterone Nation an interview with Dave Tate .for all you "hard gainers"

There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn't gain weight to save my f**king life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like f**king magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that f**ker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that f**ker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You f**king can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a f**k about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.


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Originally posted by 17/20 17/20 wrote:

Well crafted summation Coach Mac. No question, it is self iuced.

By the way your thoughts on German volume training which I had the pleasure of using when it migrated to the USA in the late 70's ( or sooner) My experience was with the 10x10 back squat with very strict recovery (90 seconds) same weight x2 per week with mininal jumps in wt. over a 3 month period. This was coupled with hi-rep step ups, hi-hurdle bounding and yoke running up a 45 degree hill approx. 20 yards. The throwing was done with heavy implements 18 and 20 full rotations and 22 for standing drills.

Anyways, your thoughts as I'am considering this routine. I would include alot of heavy hammer winds, kb/pud release movements, wt fr dist. turning drills with a 35 and 70 lb kb and shot drills/full throws with an 18.

 

Don- always enjoy your "perceptive"  posts.   German Volumne Training ( circa -2010  )

 

3-different Squats (attack the muscle from diffferent angles) your choice ...for 3 x 10 and a flush set too failure ( 3-inch (RANGE of MOTION) lunges for 15-25 reps)  so there is your 10-sets and we drop a rep and ADD weight each week for 6-week training block ( 8-weeks is too many ) so you end up with  10-sets of 5 the last week. 

 

We just tested our fr-soph kids on Safety Squats and our 171-lb soph decathalete was our LOW man at note I thought he did more than he did (545) NOT 705 lbs (  )  and a very talented frosh putter  280-lbs) 800 and in the believe it or not dept our hardest working kid ( 265-lbs 108 discus p.r in high school) just missed 890-lbs.   So this PROGRAM works !!!  

 

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Originally posted by nesa nesa wrote:

Simple question to answer before you get into anything else...

What are you?

Are you a thrower, a strongman, or a runner?

You can't be great at all 3. If you want to be an "also ran" then continue training for all 3 and accept the position...if you want to be a top athlete focus on one and train for that alone.

Good Luck with the training.

Erik

good post

I have been a muscly runner.

I am getting stronger

and I plan to throw

This was a good post and it calls me out.  When I went for ironman I ultimatley committed and lived it to be as elite as I could.  We will have to see.

Thansk for "calling me out on this"

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Coach Mac thanks, very interesting approach to hi-volume. I like the variety in movements and the taper to the 10x5. Those are some world class squat numbers your crew is putting up. 

Again, thanks!!! 

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what does a big 800 lb safety squat equate to in a raw, high bar medium stance back squat?

that is amazing strength for a throws team. Geez Bob, do I wish I had a coach like you in college...

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Originally posted by will barron will barron wrote:

what does a big 800 lb safety squat equate to in a raw, high bar medium stance back squat?

that is amazing strength for a throws team. Geez Bob, do I wish I had a coach like you in college...

Will...according too John Smith (hubby of Connie Price-Smith 65' putter) he thinks its 35-38% MORE than a back squat.   Lots of variables..length of legs experiance ect-ect however, the safetys  are essentallly OVER_LOAD Front squats and much more POSTURE like to throwing. 

EXAMPLE: if your a thrower at the University of Oregon....NO BACKSQUATTING...!

NOTE: maybe Ryan V will comment as he has witnessed our annual SQUAT_QUANTLET (scheduled for this Thors Day ) ?

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Coach Mac, do your guys use the handles?  Are they full squats?

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