MWC 2014 W40-49 is now split

Masters Women asked for a lighter weight than Open Women (21 v 28.) Just like Masters Men throw a lighter weight than Open/A/B Men (42 v 56.)

Don is right on about the 35.....keep in mind that 20+ years ago "masters" was 50+.... then about 15 years ago it was dropped to 45...and a couple years later 40...here in New England we never had enough of us old farts to do the age group thing, so my efforts to keep it at 50+ brought me enough flack that it pretty much ended my interest in AD'ing..... I was asked a couple times to make a 35# to try some demos to foster some interest.....but my heart wasn't in it.....but back in the day, everybody under 50 threw the 56......

Wayne, long time brother hope your well. May see you in Ct this fall. Thanks for the clarification .

I apologize for being late to the announcement, but I've had to work away from my computer all day without resources to comment.

I appreciate SMAI/MWC offering an accommodation. However, to be a bit of a wet blanket, the "compromise" from MWC is something, but no cigar yet. They threw us women a bone of separating the age groups in the 40-49 category, but still kept different weights for the two sections . . .

1) Yes, we have stupendous numbers of women for 2014 to allow for a split, but how about future years? What happens if only 2 enter the 45-49 class next year or future years? Will MWC keep them as a separate class throwing the 21#? It creates more problems than it solves.

2) It still maintains the double standard of weights for master's women throwers that doesn't exist for the men.

3) The dual-weight standard still represents a disconnect between MWC and the continually increasing number of master's women's competitions that are using the 21# at age 40, NOT 45 or 50.

The double standard of the weights has always been the issue among the women in favor of adopting the 21# weight for all age groups. The argument of "it's always been that way" is pretty weak justification: try telling the cop who pulls you over "I've always driven 50 in this 35 zone"--won't fly.

Kevin, can a 47yr old throw in the 40-44 class at the MWC? Is the 5 game rule hard and fast or is that just an arbitrary number that someone picked and is not adhered to. 

Juli Peterson wrote: Jay: <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">But there are only some members from 1 class asking for a lower weight.</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Fixed for you</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">(BTW-it was a pleasure briefly meeting you and your wife this past weekend. Sorry we missed your big party, volunteering took more out of me than I'd imagined. But I was still ready to throw the 28 the next day..;) </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">jp</span> <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"> </span>

Juli, I was sorry you weren't able to come to my and Bret's house for the Clawbeque as well. Maybe next year!

candysprinkles wrote: Juli Peterson wrote: Jay: <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">But there are only some members from 1 class asking for a lower weight.</span> >(BTW-it was a pleasure briefly meeting you and your wife this past weekend. Sorry we missed your big party, volunteering took more out of me than I'd imagined. But I was still ready to throw the 28 the next day..;) </span> Juli, I was sorry you weren't able to come to my and Bret's house for the Clawbeque as well. Maybe next year!

Kel-

And I don't want to confuse the age qualifications for age groups any further. There are age group limits. I've been reluctant to do the photo ID check at registration like weightlifting meets because I trust people to sign up for the correct age group at our MWCs. If they can't do that by themselves, then I'm at a loss.

Everyone is a mature adult in this meet and we have to expect some issues but the age group shouldn't be one of them. Its not been the difficult part so far.  

-K

candysprinkles wrote: bigirish01 wrote: 14# is 1 stone...not 1/2 You're right. Sorry about that - I used to know my stone weight conversions quite well back in the UK.

Yeah I know I am

Ok Kevin... with respect to you, I wont say the MWC was bullied....  But that was one fast turn around. Im Done with this as well.

I like clarity Jay. And I'm a big fan of equality. Obviously.

I'll stomp ol' Dinnie with my boots Roger, LOL!

I supported the change to a 21# for Master Women mostly because that is what the majority of the games in the PNW (with the exception of Enumclaw) have been using for the 2012 and 2013 seasons. I think we even used it a couple games in 2011. Several more seasoned athletes (meaning they have been throwing far longer than me) started championing the 21 a few years ago and it has been readily adopted by the majority of the ADs at PNW games. I like to throw what I usually compete and train with.

Did I ever personally throw the 28# over or even near to 30'? In my dreams! I don't come from a strength sport or throwing background. I came into HG because my husband started throwing and I saw how much fun he was having with the other throwers. I was also encouraged to try it out from the women throwers that I had gotten to know (much much fewer than now, even though it's only been a couple years.) It has been a blast, even though I am in the bottom half of the field. I don't think that you need to be a top thrower to part of this sport. And hey, if one person looks at me throwing and having fun and says to themselves "Heck, if Candy Sprinkles can throw that heavy shit, I probably could too!" and joins our merry band of misfits, that helps our sport grow and that is a win in my book. So, to me there is much more to being a thrower than being "the best." I am trying to be "my best."

I am working on getting stronger, since this is a strength sport, and I always enjoy bettering my own numbers. I will never be a huge numbers thrower, my body type and age are working against me in that. I just try to get better each games, each season. And that has been working well for me.

Now, on to another possibly controversial subject for MWC 2014. SHEAF! I appeal to the powers that be to add it to the competition - I really want to bring my special "Candy" fork to Scotland!

(Kevin Rogers, I am totally kidding, unless maybe there is a glimmer of hope?)

Is that at me Glenn? Have I been disrespectful? I simply asked if it were possible and was told yes. If Kevin believes that I've disrespectful to him I expect to hear about it, because we're adults here. I don't know that anyone is doing what they please. Many women are throwing the weights they've requested to throw, certainly I'm no different. Unless I'm missing a key ingredient here. Could be, I've missed things before.

Ok, that said, plus Anita's comments on the FB and I am just so hurt and shocked that you two are coming at me like this.