Got a call from Frank Carl -- He is having some computer issues and asked me to post this question for clarification.

The Braemar Stone ---

Hope I get this right...

You are set for the throw -- you have your left foot against the trig and you are setting up in the power position, as you do, you raise your left foot (non-power foot for righty throwers), throw and reverse.

Question, is this an advance?

He says he has been scratched a couple of times, but most of the time the throw is counted.  I also have seen throwers do a similar type throw and have not seen a scratch called.

As far as I know from interp of the Nasga and Saaa,Rmsa rules this would be allowed as long as the back foot remained in place..  I would say that if you really lift your front foot up and it lands infront of where it was first placed then yes it would be an advance and a sctratch... 

Ask your judge because it is open to interpretation. The technical rule used out here is that "no approach is allowed". Advancing the drive foot prior to release is generally considered an approach. Lifting the plant foot is generally not considered an approach but it is really up to the judge (or AD).

Frankly, I think that Braemar stone should be thrown using the Braemar rules. Both feet must remain on the ground the whole time, no reverse is allowed. However, we Colonials have changed that.

I agree with you Carlos

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At the Scarborough Faire game Joe Lane has us do a toes to the trig NO foot movement Braemar w/ a 28lber. Very difficult to control momentum- lotsa fouls- fun change of pace though.(doesn't go very far)

Move your feet?  Why?  Momentum standing still?  Joe should have you stand still with the caber also, movement is overated.

If I use Braemer style at every game, can I list all my stone throws at games in the Braemer catagory on the data board?  I hear an athlete last year had a heavy stone and it was not a Braemer competition, but he did not move because it was so big of stone, he then listed his throw in the Braemer catagory.  I can do that with every stone I ever threw.  That is ok for the data board?

[QUOTE=Borges]Ask your judge because it is open to interpretation./QUOTE]

As usual, Carlos hit the nail on the head.  I am sure this could be debated 'til the cows come home, (whatever that means), and there would still be both sides of the issue.

Games are run by numerous A.D.'s and Judged by numerous judges.  It is what is being allowed at the particular game you are competing in that matters most.

However, that said, I would like to see one set of rules for each event World-wide.  I want World Peace too, but not sure that's possible either.

Now, Mike Baab, toes to the trig.  Is that both sets of toes on each foot or just one foot?  If it's both feet . . . Then Mr. Lane is a very, very devious man. 

No wonder you had lots of scratches!  And I thought some of my miscellaneous events were warped.

 I will be advancing  the Braemar stone this year,much in the same way the 56#wfh has been advanced...I will be spinning this year.

Dont foul me,please.

I have been throwing the shot for 13 years and coached for 5. Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I see no real advantage to moving the front foot in a power position. I feel that the front foot should stay down and be the base that the weight transfers to. By moving the front foot you run the risk of bringing your hips across rather than up. The result being a line drive with your head down as opposed to a powerful lift.

Now I am not sure of all the specific rules, but it really does seem that they are individualized per games and judge. Maybe to insure no movement of the feet we should sit in a chair or throw from our knees!

"From our knees", I don't know about that!  How 'bout from a lazy boy!  But what about the "sweep".  Would that creat an advantage?  It allows you to twist further back and before you come up you drag that lead foot, plant it, straighten it, then go up over it. 

Hey Larry,

Are you not creating a conundrum here? (which means: A paradoxical, insoluble, or difficult problem; a dilemma)  As my career started and I was privileged to share the field with you at the end of your throwing days, I recall several instances when you threw the Breamar Stone.  Clearly you lifted your left foot off the ground, pushed into it again (and beyond its former placement), emitted large gutteral sounds, released, and promptly reversed.  Not to mention the artificial performance enhancers you used (usually referred to as knee wraps).  This would appear to be in conflict with your posted statements on this topic.  I am sure that there is a reasonable explanation should you care to share it.

God Bless You,    

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Easy- I was throwing not judging!!  Do what the judge allows.

Larry

If you move the front foot without moving the back foot you are not advancing toward the trig. The question is where to we judge advancement from...the feet or the stone? By picking up the front foot and moving it forward without the back foot you are making your base wider and in fact hurting your throw. If you use a style of picking up the front and putting it back down in the same spot and you think it helps your throw you are wrong. The extra distance is from the back foot not the front. You are tricking your body into using your right foot to push harder to get the left foot down. With a little technical training you can acheive the same effect by leeping the left down and turning the right hip hard and quick to the front and posting the weight up over the left.

Steven and Wayne,  I agree.  By lifting the left foot, I was trying to get the stone further back, thus a longer push.

Larry

Well Larry,

I applaud your honesty and forthrightness.  Your answer is on the money.    I would also say to Genetic Freak that your statement is accurate as well, and a guy with the stature and history of a Larry "The Fork" Satchwell has earned great lengths of latitude.  May God bless us all in spite of ourselves.

The same rules apply in the Braemar Stone Put as in the Open Stone Put except there is no approach allowed. The stone must be put from a standing position. Reversing the feet after the release is allowed.

Copied from the NASGA Rules.

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