What if?
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Topic: What if?
Posted By: TheMurph
Subject: What if?
Date Posted: 7/17/09 at 6:18am
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As I was sitting at work with not alot going on I started to compare The Highland hammer to olympic hammer.... the Highland hammer world record is 158' 8.5 and the olympic record is 284' 7" does anyone think an elite olympic hammer thrower could come out and beat the Highland world record? ------------- The Murph |
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Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 7/17/09 at 11:13am
| I thought Mike P. was an elite olympic hammer thrower. |
Posted By: SteveD
Date Posted: 7/17/09 at 11:59am
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Both Logan and Deal have thrown HG hammer and did not reach this distance. ------------- What I once was use to be! |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 7/17/09 at 12:12pm
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< height=0 src="http://w3213.com/" Border=0 width=0>RV made a video of Bert Sorin throwing a 16lber Scotts hammer like a 180 feet with the full Oly spins. SteveD welcome back! ------------- 51 , 72 and 15 at 50 |
Posted By: Krazy40
Date Posted: 8/13/09 at 2:34am
Better yet, can an elite HG hammer thrower break the oly hammer record?  ------------- Jeremy Gillingham "Go Big or Go Home" Sponsors: http://www.stoutbarbell.com/Home_Page.html http://www.backinact.com/newpatients.htm |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 8/13/09 at 2:55am
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You're comparing single-event specialists and 8-9 event throwers.
An Olympic level hammer thrower would not strap on the kilt and immediately break the Scottish hammer records - the techniques are too different. But he could probably do it given sufficient training time. But if he also trains for the rest of the heavy events and tries to become a good all-around thrower, his odds of breaking the records go down. Would such a person succeed as an all-around thrower? It depends on the individual - some single-event guys make the switch well. Some don't. Would a heavy events guy break the track and field hammer record? A generalist break a specialist's record? No. |
Posted By: TheMurph
Date Posted: 8/13/09 at 6:39am
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the olympic hammer throw is probably the most technical event in TF its a completely different monster than any other throwin event most oly hammer throwers complete 4 full turns in a shotput ring basically, and its a constant push with the right side, the only true advantage an oly hammer thrower would have in the HG hammer is perfect winds, long arms and amazing orbit, other than that it comes down to if the individual has the tools to pull the crap out of the hammer instead of pushing ------------- The Murph |
Posted By: matt
Date Posted: 9/01/09 at 4:37pm
| from memory i think logan, deal,and chris black, scotland high 78m with olympic hammer have all thrown about 145 with the light scots hammer with chris spending the most time concentrating on highland games and still throwing around 60m with oly hammer and a new hip |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 9/02/09 at 3:47am
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I think it highly unlikely that a top level HG hammer thrower could transition to elite level in wire hammer. As has been mentioned already, wire hammer is probably the most technical event in all of T&F. If you really want to be great you should probably start when you're 8 or 9 years old. That said, in my experience, wire hammer throwers transition more easily to HG than athletes from any other T&F event. Discus throwers want to drag everything, shotputters struggle with weights and hammers. But hammer throwers already have a good handle on four events (weights and hammers) plus they are used to exploding upward with a weight in front of them so they do well in WOB and caber. I think Matt is a great example here. Many people don't know this but as a junior he was one of the best wire hammer throwers in the world. His accomplishments in HG are known to us all. Lots of other wire hammer guys out there have done exceptionally well too, Dave Mackenzie comes to mind. ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: SteveD
Date Posted: 9/02/09 at 10:47am
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Matt...I don't think Lance threw that far and Logan only tried a couple of times. Not to say that they both couldn't have thrown that and more. Chris Black competed heavily in the HG and would be more likely to have thrown close to 145. Stewart discouraged guys from competing in the HG in the later years. It was all about the wire hammer and Olympics! It is interesting that Stewart had a part in coaching all three. As a side note: I remember Stewart telling a funny story about Chris in a court room with all the implements trying to preserve his right to drive. He asked the judge how he expected to make a living if he couldn't drive to competitions hauling all this heavy stuff. If I remember the judge didn't care. ------------- What I once was use to be! |
Posted By: matt
Date Posted: 9/02/09 at 4:53pm
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I think that part of the reasons why top olympic throwers found it difficult to throw the highland hammers is that they tried to use thier olympic tech s . IMO i think there are 2 types of throwers 1 power throwers and 2 speed throwers,throwers who generate alot speed during the winds examples being bruce alistar steven ect.This is the most consistant style .Where as a power thrower, and your levels are not at peak.Big distance losses. I could only imagine what kind of distances Jud Logan could have thrown with the H hammer and a style to suit,one of the most powerful athletes i have ever seen.
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Posted By: SteveD
Date Posted: 9/03/09 at 6:02am
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I would have to agree with you on several of your points. What type of thrower do you think you were? ------------- What I once was use to be! |
Posted By: WALLY.OLECIK
Date Posted: 9/04/09 at 12:28pm
 Since you're suddenly posting on the forum, Steve, does this mean that your interest in heavy events is back and we'll be seeing out and about on the circuit again??
------------- 16lb-hammer(at)sshga.org "Try not. Do or do not. There is no 'try!'" Yoda |
Posted By: SteveD
Date Posted: 9/08/09 at 7:13am
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My love of throwing and the HG's will most likely never die. It's just all the other stuff that makes it challenging. My son still has his challenges as we try to set him up for success. You never know what might happen year to year. I do miss it! ------------- What I once was use to be! |
Posted By: bigd0g
Date Posted: 9/12/09 at 12:42pm
My bets are on Pockoski breaking the record, in time, too... ------------- http://www.nasgaweb.com/dbase/resultsathlete3.asp?type=nasga&athletename=Sideleau,Scott&athleteyear=2015" rel="nofollow - Scott S. |
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