TRAINING LOG: MOUNTAIN MAN
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Topic: TRAINING LOG: MOUNTAIN MAN
Posted By: Mountain Man
Subject: TRAINING LOG: MOUNTAIN MAN
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 5:24am
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Although I am in no way in the same strength/experience league as the other loggers, but I hope that I can inspire someone by them thinking, "If that guy can manage to get to the gym and try, so can I." My brief background, I am 41, 6', 235 lbs and this is my fourth season coming up in the Games. I have been a solo sports guy my whole life, to include tennis and rock climbing. I started lifting in 10th grade summer (17 yrs old) out of self-preservation as I got my butt kicked daily. I obsessed at the weights and found a sense of confidence I desperately needed. Out of lack of knowledge of strength lifts, I lifted to just get bigger, as I was incredibily small. I kid you not, the guys in the gym laughed and snickered at me when I started lifting but I made a motto I still use to this day: 'You gotta start somewhere.' And shortly after this my personal motto: 'If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!' So I have to go balls out in the gym/field, why waste your time on this planet. If God blesses me with health, I will not waste the gift. My goals for this offseason include a 500+ Deadlift (carryover from my 40th year on Earth 500 goal, which I missed), Hang Clean 225, Push Press 225 for reps, Zercher 315 and to lose belly fat so my wife will stop with the "family history of heart attack" worries and I can live longer. I just started the 5/3/1 program with these maxes and exercises: DL: 475, DB Incline 120, Hang Clean 190, Push Press 185, Zercher 265 and DB Snatch 105. Along with Core work and throwing, this is all I am doing, no accessory lifts/exercises. I am keeping it simple. I lift 3 days a week and do cardio 2 days. I throw 1 day a week, weather permitting. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 5:35am
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Here is week one/Cycle 1: Monday: Deads and DB Incline Deads: 320x5, 340x5, 360x10 I learned I needed competition in the gym from either younger kids or the alpha males. The previous week I got 2 extra reps on the final set due to this, this week I worked out in my office gym. Incline DB 80x5, 85x5, 90x10. Same as before, got 12 last week. Tuesday: Cardio (30 minutes on the eliptical) Wednesday: Hang Cleans and Push Press Hang Cleans: 130x5, 135x5, 145x8 Grip became a factor at end, either need to use straps or get stronger. Push Press: 125x5, 130x5, 140x12. Good Effort (GE) and Good intensity (GI) on these. Hammer Swings: 16lb: 3 sets of 10 swings smooth, 3 sets of 5 swings working on speed. Thursday: Cardio (30 minutes on the eliptical) Friday: Zercher and DB Snatch Zercher: 180x5, 190x5, 205x10 (crapped my spandex alittle on rep 3 of the last set to be honest, had to go change DB Snatch: 70x5, 75x5, 80x10 each hand. GE and GI on the last set. Happy to start with a good full week with no missed workouts. Proud to join you boys in the Log club, I will bring up the rear to make yall feel good. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
.) NO QUIT!Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 6:11am
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Mountain of a Man, That is a heck of a lot of reps...seems almost like cardio to me! Maybe back off some of those 10/12 rep sets...move toward a different split. I have it on good advice that many of the real explosive monsters out here push and pull twice a week, give or take. Try a 5x5 or 5x3 on the HEAVY throwing-specific lifts? Not bagging on your lifting, but this seems a tad excessive, particularly because I know you are capable of MUCH more, particularly poundage. And screw the alpha males in the gym...you are competing against me, and everyone else who reads this board and plays this Game. Train against us...those other guys can pound sand. Get some.
------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 6:40am
His sets of 10 aren't purposefully 10s, the 5/3/1 program calls for the last set to be as many reps as possible. If you haven't read that program, it's good reading, buy it. ------------- |
Duncan McCallum wrote:Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 6:49am
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Duh...my bad Robin. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 7:10am
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No problem Duncan and thanks Craig for the clarification. It is a lot of reps, particularly today with the DB Snatches (major winded and I thought that by doing each hand, that's 40 times my legs did a snatch, totalling the 3 working sets). That's is a butt kicker of a last set for the 5/3/1 program in that it is completely up to you and your self-honesty if you could just stop at 5 or keep going. For me its a grizzly thing. MM ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 8:15am
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Grizzly Bear? I thought you were a donkey chasing a carrot. I just started my workouts in late Dec. I hope we meet somewhere so you can get another shot at the old man. By the look of your workouts I will not have much to worry about. (A little smack talk.) Keep up the hard work Robin. You're going to need it. (A little more smack talk.)
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/08/10 at 8:53am
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It is officially on like donkey kong Mr Baty, I proclaim it and let it be marked. I am indeed the donkey to your carrot, but this year will be the year, mark my words. And any and all smack talk is more than welcome, as you know. I use it to motivate me. I will have to take you down this year as your are getting up there in years (smack back at ya), and as you say "you won't be around forever." I saw your workout on SSAAA and you better get a heater in your gym for your joints so you can lift something heavier than your 242 lbs. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 1/09/10 at 2:56am
No pressure at ALL!  Thanks Dunc...I was almost reassured by your other post.  I agree about the reps though...those 10's and 12's are throw back to hypertrophy lifting (bodybuilding). They may make you all swole up but they won't necessarily make you stronger. I am in the 5-8 range (occasionally a 10 for warmups) on most stuff. Since this is your first phase...make sure to do the rep calculations off those 10 rep sets and set the max's for your next phase. (What you can do now, what I did on my first, was just check to make sure I was being consistent...if you get 10 on 5's, then see if you can get 6's on the threes and 2 or three on the singles...then you average all those rep calculations for your next max.) Believe me...when you set it right...that first 5 is hard to get! Another tip I am taking from a different vid I watched (and some guys that showed up in St. Louis) is to lift explosively. Push the speed on your lifts. I have always just grunted through my lifts...and I could tell last year I was slow as a snail compared to some. So lifting with speed when I can on my lifts. Go get em'! I understand the left over goal from your 40th!  |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/09/10 at 4:00am
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Thanks for the tip about recalculating the maxes Dave, I did think these were too light but I thought about the volume "base" Stewart does (like the 10x10 squats, etc) and thought this was that part of the program. Are you using the Excel spreadsheet? ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 1/09/10 at 11:07am
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Robin, Next week it will be warmer. I'll get the weights up a little so I can stay up with you.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/09/10 at 1:38pm
......the sarcasm dripping from your post got on my keyboard. I can't wait to throw with you this year my friend. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: thegnome
Date Posted: 1/12/10 at 2:06am
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I'm using the 5/3/1 program for my Power lifts as well. I really like it because it gives me some structure. I set my DL's too low, reset it and still keep getting 10's. ------------- Andrew G Vada a bordo CAZZO!!!! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/12/10 at 7:29am
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Good the know Andrew, and good for you still getting 10s. Cycle 1: Week 2 (the "3" week) The goal for this week is for the working sets to get 3 reps, 3 reps and then at least 3 reps (as many as you can do) Deads: 340x3 360x3 385x7 Really focused on good form here, and thanks to Dave's video, I kept my butt down much better by dipping down/squating down alittle on each rep in an effort to get my butt further down. Worked. I think I finally have my form down: I need to to this dipping thing, focus at about a 45 degree downward and out front, chest up, etc. Felt like I got it together last night. Bunch of curlers and benchers in the gym, plenty of douches to focus the nasty. Incline DB: 85x3 90x3 95x10 Went for a quick pop up on each rep as in the braemar. Hammer swings: 5 sets of 10 swings focusing on smooth swings without any hitches. Did ok. Scared the crap out of many a folk in the gym. Tuesday: Stupid sinuses kept me at home and out today. No cardio. MM ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: =Travis=
Date Posted: 1/12/10 at 7:55am
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Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 1/12/10 at 11:46am
+1 on the awesome.This getting nasty stuff must be powerful...SEVEN reps?!?! DANG Today was my three too, but I only got 4 on my incline presses. (My story is that I was supposed to do 105's but after 100 they only go up by tens in my gym!) Glad the vid helped...I'm surprised it helped...but hey. I post them really to get Travis and Duncan riled up at my nasty form. (But I'm working on it.) |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 1:43am
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Try to focus on that nasty 500lb deadlift instead of the other nasty's in the gym.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 2:06am
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Are you kidding...five wheels is scary! Don't stare at it too long...it wins!! |
Posted By: =Travis=
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 2:12am
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Everyone will find their own unique form that works best for them. Like me, I'm a fat man so my form isn't the same as a skinny fellow. |
Posted By: pit rat
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 2:52am
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Couple yrs ago at a college gym I guess I had "The Nasty" all over my face like cake. I'd just got done doing squats in the cage and turned around to go to the drinking fountain. As I turned and took a step a guy about my age about 6 feet away coming my way actually jumped straight up in the air off the floor and then darted out of my way like I was going to knife him. I'm really a nice guy and thought about apologizing for a second but kept my game face and kept going. Gave me a chuckle anyway. ------------- Bill Gordon |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 2:57am
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(as we all hijack the thread...) I was told I was being mean to the weights the other day...that is why they bit me later giving me a blood blister. Talk about nasty...I am scaring the 45's.
Ok Robin....what did you want to talk about here... |
Posted By: pit rat
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 3:47am
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Yeah sorry didn't mean to hijack. Your guys posts help me stay motivated as I lift alone.A few of us here are around the same age and lifting level. I'm still rooting for you to bust that 500 dead MM. Meant to ask also do you take a 16# hammer to the gym for hammer winds? ------------- Bill Gordon |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/13/10 at 6:35am
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No highjacking took place at all. I love tales of the Nasty. I wrote on the Dead Thread that I was gonna make a shirt of Myles statement: "I will go anywhere to get my nasty" but thought no one would get it...or they would get it in the wrong context and those kind of looks I don't want/need. I am a nice guy too but my kids told me scare the crap out them with my "mean face" when lifting. I cooralate it to the look Mel Gibson had when he looked at his kids all bloodyfaced after tomahawking the crap out of that soldier in the Patriot. Still laugh at that one: I said in the theater to my wife, "no one's gonna backtalk Dad tonight." I appreciate the support Bill re: the 500. I am planning on one more cycle with the 5/3/1 and on the 1 day I am gonna get it. I have contraption I made to simulate the hammer wind, works pretty good. Hang Cleans and Push Presses tonight. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/14/10 at 5:03am
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Wednesday 1/13/2010: Admin note: I have always judged my effort level and intensity level on each set. GE=good, GrE=great and SE=super, total nasty effort or intensity. Hang Cleans: my "3" week 135x3 GE, 145x3 GE, 155x 4 w/o straps, 3 more with straps=total of 7. GrE, GrI QUESTION: Is there a good way of bringing the bar back down from the clean position without feeling like I am pulling my shoulder out of socket? I am bringing the bar down, my hips come out and I catch the bar at a dead hang...end up getting a tweak in my left shoulder. Push Press: 130x3 GE + GF (form), 140x3 GE 150x11 (3 was the goal) GrE + GrI Wanted a great effort and intensity. Hammer Swings: 18lb, 3 sets of 10 swings smooth focus, 2x5 working on speed. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 1/14/10 at 5:58am
To answer your question: there are two things you can do, and it's recommended you do both.
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/14/10 at 6:02am
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THANK YOU! I was heading toward an injury for sure. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 1/14/10 at 6:11am
Good question Robin, I've been doing second of Wayne's points, not the first. Learned something to try and see. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/15/10 at 2:55am
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Thursday: Threw WFD last night: 42 for 5 or so throws and then the 28 for about 10...NOT PRETTY! Turns out lifting weights alone won't make the weights go farther, go figure. I am going to really start incorporating throwing more into my off-season training. The Mrs threw also last night with me and came to the same conclusion that technique doesn't come overnight. I was thinking of Craig's quote last night: Getting strong is easy, throwing is the hard part. True dat, although getting strong isn't overly easy either..... ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 1/15/10 at 7:32am
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An EXCELLENT plan Hoss. Bring that A game to Texas. I dare you!!!
------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/15/10 at 3:22pm
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You make that a triple dog dare and ITS ON! Friday 1/15/10: Zerchers: "3" Week 195x3 205x3 Felt strong, GE, GI 215x12 SI (I am talking about frothing at the mouth INTENSITY on this set! I was listening to "Shoot to thrill" at the time, banging my head mid-set and loving the moment.) DB Snatch: 75x3 each hand 80x3 each hand 85x6 each hand GrI, these really test your will and wind. Loved getting my nasty on tonight, great way to end the week. Got all this in plus a stretch at the end in an hour. Working the Saints game tomorrow and resting the weekend. MM ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/19/10 at 5:57am
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Tuesday 1/19: 5/3/1 Week (Week 3) Had to work out early as it is the Mrs b-day and I would be a dead man (pun intended) if I went to deadlift instead of taking her out. Dead 315x5 360x3 405x6 (a minimum of 1 was the program goal) GE GI. I have done singles with this much before for several total reps but rarely have tried straight reps, so I was pretty happy with this. I realized I needed to get myself pulling in the weeds more, by that I mean where it is really a fight. I have pulled where it was a hit or miss. I need to get ready to fight 500 soon...to the death. Deload next week and I am gonna recalcuate to see if my 1RM has gone up based on reps for Cycle 2. Incline DBs: 80x5 90x3 100x10 (a minimum of 1 was the program goal). This felt good, fought the last few reps but got them up. Good start to the week. Off to buy a present. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 1/19/10 at 6:23am
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I just did a little back-of-the-envelope calculation and think you're good for 500.
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 1/19/10 at 6:53am
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No doubt... ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 1/19/10 at 8:44am
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Way to lift Robin, tell the wife Happy Birthday from the Gray's. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/19/10 at 11:30am
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Thanks and will do Bill. Luzc said thanks very much. I really think I could have done more if I had pulled in the afternoon (was focusing on getting 10) but with the day's schedule, that's as best as I could do today.
------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/21/10 at 6:50am
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I like the way you calculate Wayne! ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/22/10 at 1:02pm
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1/21/2010 Thursday: 5/3/1 Day (working sets of 5, 3 and then a minimum of 1 rep at 95% of 1RM) Hang Cleans: 135x5 145x3 160x11 (1 was the goal)(8 without straps, 3 more with straps) ***MUCH thanks to Wayne for recommending the safe way to lower the bar on these! I didn't feel like my shoulder was coming out AND it retained my grip a lot longer. The top of my legs are bruised now but I'll deal with it. Push Press: 125x5 140x3 155x8 (1 was the goal) GrE+I here. I had one more but held up before failure. Hammer Swings: 18lb: 3 sets of 10 20lb: 3 sets of 10 1/22/2010: Friday (5/3/1 day again) DB Snatch: (normally I do Zerchers first but read in the 5/3/1 book that I should do Oly lifts prior to squats, deads, etc) 70x5 each hand 80x3 each hand 90x6 each hand (1 was the goal) Zerchers: (actually did these today without a towel on the bar, felt manly, Craig Smith-y) 180x5 205x3 230x10 (1 was the goal) On this set I didn't have a number in mind, just wanted to see what I had in me. I love Zerchers. De-load next week and then Cycle 2. QUESTION for those knowledgeable in 5/3/1: The book says to only increase your 1RM by 10lbs on lower body lifts (squats, deads) and 5lbs on upper body lifts. These maxes and the subsequent 90% working maxes seemed light. Should I recalculate my new 1RM based on reps from this cycle of just increase a little as prescribed? Curious to see others experiences on both sides. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: brandon
Date Posted: 1/22/10 at 1:05pm
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you go Mountain Man. keep it up ------------- visualize it, plan it, lift it!!! |
Posted By: thegnome
Date Posted: 1/22/10 at 1:22pm
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When I asked the same question to a bunch of 5/3/1 guys they said "No, stick with it" but I felt I had really underestimated my maxes so I re-adjusted. Maybe try adding 10 and 20 vs 5 and 10. Hey, I have one version of the spreadsheet that figures out like a whole years worth of cycles. I got it from Marunde Muscle's board. I can't use it because I can't figure out how to get it down to 2.5 incriments and I mostly use a metric set, and dividing everything by 2.2 and rounding is a pain in the arse because I am lazy. If you want it let me know and I can fwd a copy. Did I already ask you that? ------------- Andrew G Vada a bordo CAZZO!!!! |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/23/10 at 8:11am
I will take your advice and do the 10 and 20, that feels about right. I would also love a copy of that spreadsheet. Can you email me at wlrmtnman@yahoo.com? I would love that. And thanks Brandon, I have to do all I can to try and deal with you this year Hoss. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/25/10 at 12:20pm
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This is de-load week:
1/25/10 Monday Deads and Incline DB Man, this deiload workout is kind of a mind trip. Since you do only 40/50/60% for 5 reps each, it is esentially the warm-up phase of a normal workout. So when I got to my last set of deads for today, my normal last warm-up/transition to full Nasty song, "For those about to rock" came on, but I had to shut the Nasty down instaed of turning it on. A little strange, but I needed the break.Whole workout in 20 min. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 1/25/10 at 12:29pm
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Robin, You sure got a long list of old guys you want to whup. I want to see you when you improve your throwing as much as your lifting. Keep it up youngster.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/26/10 at 3:14am
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You are always good for some motivation Mr. Baty (Mr. Carrot). I thought the same thing about improving my throwing last week. I am upping the amount of throwing now big time! This year run at the carrot will begin soon...and it will be on a Highland Games field and not in the weight room, where you have a world more exerience and know how than I do.
I better get to it. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 1/28/10 at 3:18am
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01/27/2010: Wednesday De-load Hang Cleans and Push Press. Used this as a warm up to go throw some stone and 28wfd. I know this has to be an extremely common problem but I am having a hard time balancing lifting with throwing. I KNOW I need to throw a lot more (I am throwing maybe 1x a week) but with rest days from lifting and wanting to have a good effort and muscle strength for the throws, don't know how to find that balance. Thinking about switching my lifting to two days a week and looking to throw three days a week. Perhaps Mon and Fri lift and T, W, and Th throw (do one or two events a day). I have to get the reps/throws in so my form with get to a consistent level where I can tweak and make my technique better. Signed, ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 3:56am
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02/02/2010: Deadlift 500 Attempt--missed it (again Warm up sets: 225x5, 315x3, 405x1, 455x1 2 misses with 500 (got it to mid-shin). However, the 455 came up quickly, much better than the slow pull my last attempt at 500. Just gonna have to continue the 5/3/1 and grind that 500 down. Wrote more on the Dead Thread. Tried to drop back down to 385 for reps to punish myself and couldn't even budge it, lol. Man, when you (I) are done with deads, you are REALLY done. Incline DB: Working sets of 90x5, 95x5 and 100x5+1 (6). Not bad considering I was pretty whiped out from the PR attempt. Gonna throw the rest of the week and then start Cycle 2 next week, clean slate. MM
------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: =Travis=
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 8:20am
| How many reps do you usually get in with deadlifts, total workout? I keep the reps down myself when going for a max but it looks like you only got 10 reps in total before going for that max. I just wonder if you were warmed up enough and ready to pull or if you're getting enough volume. |
Posted By: pit rat
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 9:59am
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MM I went back in my log to when I was working for the 500 dead. I did almost your same weights but went 405 right to 505. I did 135-2x5 225-5 315-5 405-1 505-1. Two month's or so later did the same for 510. The 500 miss I had after that was when I put a 475 in between 405(for 3 intead of 1) and 500. Keep at it. ------------- Bill Gordon |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 11:43am
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This is a really complicated subject. You need to find a balance between achieving post-tetanic facilitation (how lifting a heavy weight makes the next weight feel lighter), getting your psych going, and avoiding doing unnecessary work. A 100-lb jump is a lot (but it worked for you, Bill). You may have had the right psych going, so you didn't need an extra lift in between. It's this psyching that is really hard to plan, because it's highly individual, but also depends on what's going on around you. It's a mystery, and we each need to find our own solution. We're each an experiment of one. ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 11:56am
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I like to take a little more than half way, say 465. That way when you make the next jump to 500 it is not as much and goes easier. Just my thoughts. ------------- Mule Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 12:32pm
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I'm right there with you, Mule, but I wonder whether or not that's psychological (but then again, who cares?).
------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 2/03/10 at 5:40pm
Bold text added by me... I just came across this sobering reality on Sunday. I've been lifting like a crazy men (for me) and my LWFD throws were a couple feet off what I was doing at the end of the season. Hammer was about the same, I did see some improvement in the 16 stone. ------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 2/04/10 at 1:45am
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Another thing those of us headed down the path of Craig Smith...( If you have put on weight over the winter...which I have because of my dead goal. You will have less flexibility this season. I have put on over 20lbs since last year...and still around 12% body fat...so most of that has been lean tissue. The problem is that my stretching has only been modest at best. I have already started to find that my hammer winds are painful. I am tight all through my shoulders and upper back. My abs just do not want to flex that far...my hips...while stretched correctly for squat and deads...are not ready for that side to side of hammer. If you have pushed your lifts up this winter...and gained lean mass...you NEED to start stretching your throws NOW! Could this slow your lifting for a few months...yep. But you also do not want to walk in your first competition and blow a throw...or blow a muscle! Please be safe and no-one rip a muscle because you didn't get them limbered up enough to throw far. (ok...lecture over...and I did that also for myself... |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/04/10 at 2:27am
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As was noted, the mental side of the deadlift is fascinating to me. I've never experienced anything like it. This attempt I felt fresher going into the 500 than I have before body wise. I noticed this when the 455 went up quickly. I was pretty optimistic. On the pyche-side, I was not as nasty as I was on my very first attempt (best so far). I was intentionally trying to keep that restrained and not get too emotional as I also did on my first attempt (shown by me storming around for 5 minutes prior to the lift). So I do think I didn't have the mental side required for the 500 this time. I definitely tried hard but didn't have the animal side of me there as needed. I was debating about amonia (been watching Benni's black and white 960 dead video a lot for inspiration) but have never used it and didn't want to start on this PR attempt. It is such a fine line, wow...nothing like it. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/04/10 at 5:38am
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02/03/10: Threw 28WFD, got in 10 throws right before dark. Felt a little better and my form was a little smoother. I will post some video so hopefully get some tips to improve.
12%, WTF????
------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/07/10 at 2:37am
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2/6/2010: Saturday Threw the 42 WFD for 12 throws. WOB: 5 throws Basically had to dig my weight out of the mud each throw, really wet down here. By the end of each event, I felt pretty good where I was as this was my first real practice with either event this year. On the 42, I was just shy of my PR from last year. I tied my PR on my first throw on WOB, actually better as I didn't even hit the bar. I think those DB Snatches helped out during the off-season. Now I am off for Cycle 2 tomorrow (after the Saints win the Superbowl!) and a 2 day a week lifting schedule and 3 day a week throwing schedule. I will post some video of my throws for the 28 and 42 later today. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/08/10 at 1:07pm
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2/8/10: Monday Cycle 2 of 5/3/1 begins. Today is "5" day. I am also adjusting my lifting schedule to lifting Mon and Fri and throwing Tues, Wed and Thurs. Deadlift: 330x5 350x5 370x9 (+4) Good E and I. Had a good fight on the last rep. Incline DB: 85x5 90x5 100x9 (+4) GrE. 22lb Hammer: 2 swings 8 throws, focusing on pivot and speed in the swing. "You take sugar? No, I'm sweet enough" ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 2/09/10 at 1:09am
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"What's wrong with this one Turkish? Nothing Tommy....it's tip top. I'm just not sure about the color." Good work Robin...keep it up. When is 500 coming up? ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/09/10 at 1:30am
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500 is on the way my friend, grinding it out via 5/3/1. "Put a lid on her Turkish, she might get bitten." ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 2/09/10 at 1:36am
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And you don't want to get bitten do you? Got a timeframe for the big lift? Or just staying with 5-3-1 until you roll up on it? ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/09/10 at 5:36am
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I said this last cycle and didn't wait but I am going to do two more cycles and then try the 500 on the 5/3/1 day of that second cycle. "You took a rally driving course...didn't you Tyrone?" ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/10/10 at 1:29am
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Just wanted to have this also in my log. This is from 02/06/2010, Saturday, 42 WFD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oGahgSQ8vU" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oGahgSQ8vU I posted this on the Throwing Section begging for help. I have to say here that it is kind of intimidating putting video out there, knowing you aren't that good. But the only way to get great advice to improve is to put yourself out there and risk alittle to get A LOT.
------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 2/10/10 at 4:43am
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DUDE! It's like golf! You got fairway, tee station, rough and even a quicksand trap. Honestly, I would love to hear what others have to say too. It looks good to me. Your first turn has feet in good place, your last turn brings your hips open. Only thing I 'might' suggest, because I have been told this...sit a bit deeper in that first turn. That way you have more leg to get speed into second. It looks like both turns are about same speed...second should be a bit faster and with more leg under you. But then I have only been doing this for three years. Totally love the throwing alley you have there. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/10/10 at 11:10am
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Thanks Dave, the wife endulged me with that little piece of yard. Check out the advice given to me on the Throwing Section, great stuff to work on. Thank you too for your advice. 2/9/10: Wed 28 WFD, 13 throws working on the things I learned from Dave and Don. Going to just take the effort to put in the reps/throws to improve. Had some pretty good throws, still only the 2nd practice with the 28 this year. "You like dags?" ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 1:03am
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Robin, Watching that video, I kept waiting for a bear or a deer to come running out of the woods. Man, I didn't know you lived that far back in the swamp. As for your spin. Try to cast it a little higher in the front and work on your speed in the second turn.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 2:04am
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I think you could have improved that with some banjo background music. ------------- Mule Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 3:41am
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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 6:14am
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...spoken by the guy from Alabama...
Yes, I do, well my backyard gets very swamp-like when it rains. Thank you Obi Wan Mr. Carrot for the tip for my second turn, I'll work on it.
Dave, you are more right than you know. I was doing 28WFD yesterday. If I go too far left, I have a water/quicksand hazzard (42 actually landed and disappeared when I went left the other day, had to dig it out, lol) and if I go too far right I have an out-of-bounds briar patch that I have to get cut up alittle to get the weight out. My platform is actually an island most of the time (see the planks), like the green on a par 3. Gotta love what we do for the Games!!! ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: =Travis=
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 6:28am
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all that pulling of implements out of mud has to be healping your deadlift
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Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 11:36am
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I would hope Travis. 02/11/2010: Thursday Rest Day today, my 15th wedding anniversary (20 years together, I count that dating time!)  ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 2/11/10 at 11:44am
Yea, I'm giving you tips because you're going to need em next time we meet. A little smack talk. Oh, Happy anniversary. You better hurry up and get that 500 before I do. I slowly increasing my deads. Closing in on 400.------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/12/10 at 10:37am
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You are providing me with motivation on TWO fronts now Mr Carrot! ....and yes, I am gonna need em the next time we meet...but I'll be ready!  ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: 17/20
Date Posted: 2/12/10 at 11:16am
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Looks great- I know those are nice and easy, what are looking for this year 28/42/56 for dist? You got the slow to fast zen quiet storm thing going. Stewart ------------- I MAY BE BIG , BUT I'M FAST |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/13/10 at 1:56pm
Thanks again Don. I have modest goals (but big for me) of 60' for 28, and 40' with the 42. After yalls critique that my form is ok, I am looking to work on the speed on the second spin. Any time I have tried to really speed up the cast/1st turn, particularly with the 42 or 56, it throws my balance off. I think if I get the reps in and just nail the form I've got and try to get alittle faster each time, I will give these goals a shot. Out of curiosity and to see what real throwing is, what are your goals for this year with the 28/42/56 Don? I use last year's Loon comp as a go-to video for form. Great stuff. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: 17/20
Date Posted: 2/14/10 at 2:16am
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I've lost some weight so I'm not sure how the new lighter, maybe faster vesion we'll work. My numbers are good in the wt room at this point, my throws training/volume is about where it was last year. I avoid measuring anything unless I catch a warm winter day. But some thoughts about distance: 73'-75' w/the 28, 50'-52' w/the 42, and the 56, I was between 38'-39' all last year in training no competition throws. Speeding up the cast- just let everything speed up in concert. You'll start chasing dat 28 and then all kinds of issues will follow, which was my experience. Hopfully your looking at 08' Loon 77' w/the 28 and 3 long fouls w/ the 42. Had rough day with the 28 up there this past year. Good Luck 40/60 or more. ------------- I MAY BE BIG , BUT I'M FAST |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/14/10 at 5:36am
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Thanks Don, good luck to you as well. If you don't mind, I have two qustions: 1. How did you lose the weight? Was this purposeful for athletic reasons? 2. (Rookie question) What is the significance of the "17/20"? ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: 17/20
Date Posted: 2/14/10 at 6:55am
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? Diet and Cardio. Purposeful for health reasons, turning 50 will do that to you. My goal is 250-255, I'm getting close as I'm currently 258-260. ? 17/20 Goofy huh, I made 17' in wob @ 40 w/ the 56 and 20' in wob at 40 w/the 42. Looking back D. Stewart would have been a better choice.
------------- I MAY BE BIG , BUT I'M FAST |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/14/10 at 10:50am
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Belive me, if I had made 17' with a 56 and 20' with a 42, I would have named myself 17/20 too. I don't think "Hellava 40th year" would have fit as a name, LOL. Good luck with the weight loss, not easy for anyone. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/17/10 at 6:31am
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Man, funny timing: I was gonna write in to say I haven't been slacking, but sick (well, by sick I mean I have a sweat-related rash that is taking its time going away) but had to go to the doc before writing in. And Stewart just wrote that he is purposefully dropping some weight for health reasons. I went to the doctor today for said "illness" and was told that I have to drop some weight for health reasons. What stinks is that Don is dropping weight to 250 and I am at 240 to start and have to drop weight. I think I should have to be at the 275 mark before I have to drop weight. Turns out that turning 41 for me is the same as turning 50 for Stewart, lol. (that sounds about right) I really like food. Will be hitting the training again tomorrow with throwing. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/23/10 at 8:00am
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02/22/2010: Monday Finally training again after almost two weeks out due to illness. Wanted to start off easy so I did Braemar, 28 WFD and WOB, 20 minutes each. I will increase the time and focus on two events a day next week. Here is video of one of each event. Stone: (if you have any advice I really need it, Stone is my worst event). The stones range from 9lbs to 20lbs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdtE8DXOc78 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdtE8DXOc78 28WFD (thanks again to those that gave me advice on the Throwing Section, big improvements this time due to the advice): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I17OdQPLDn0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I17OdQPLDn0 WOB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDH-B3uXAY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDH-B3uXAY Great day to realize how much I LOVE throwing. I got news from the Dr that I have to drop some weight (like 30 POUNDS!!!). So this was my anchor to focus my joy on and to think that I can still do this, so I can deal with the things I can't do anymore (like eat what I want MM ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
).Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 2/23/10 at 8:49am
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Dudes got an arsenal of stones!!! DANG. |
Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 2/23/10 at 9:00am
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Robin, First off, thanks for your posting on here and the DL thread. I've been following your posts for some time and they have been very helpful. Second, I saw your post about needing to lose weight. I weighed in this last week at 268. 4 months ago I was at 309. I am significantly stronger now than I was then. I know where you are coming from. Mine was a preemptive strike before the doc could tell me. Basic plan. Cut out Refined Carbs (sugar and bleached grain). Solid amounts of lean protein (about 1g per pound of body weight per day). Veggies. natural starches. (50% Carb, 30% Protein, 20% fat - read the percentages as +/- 5-10%, you don't have to be that exact). I found that if my carbs were too low, I couldn't lose weight. Every person is different so you have to use some trial and error. 6 meals a day. Each with Lean Protein and Carbs. Lift Hard (shouldn't be a problem based on what you've posted). Some Cardio 3-5 times per week early on (20-30 minutes max per session). Now, my lifting pretty much gets my activity level up and I'm maintaining the 2# per week drop with only 1-2 cardio sessions per week. Here is the important part. Don't base you caloric intake on the classic Total Body Weight calculator for Basal Metabolic Rate. Use Katch-McCardle based on Lean Body Mass (about 1000 calorie per day difference for me). Use a waist circumference and mass calculator to determine where you are. Your calories should remain pretty close to that as long as you are able to maintain your Lean Mass. I'm still eating pretty close to what I was at 309, now that I am at 268 (cut down on activity a little, so my intake dropped based on that, but my BMR is the same). Also important for maintaining metabolism and compliance. Re-feed every 4th day or so. Basically eat at least your maintenance level if not 5% more every 4th day and time this around a workout. If your refeed is on the same day as strength training, eat more carbs. If it is the day after strength training eat more protein. Early on when my activity levels were higher, re-feed was in the 4000 calorie range. let me know if you have questions. I can share some of my resources. ------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/24/10 at 3:33am
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Thank you Matt for the kind words and the great info. I think you did the smart thing and didn't wait to get the doc's voice telling you drop some lbs., not a good feeling. I am adjusting well mentally (I have a pathology about being big) and have really focused on what I love--family and the Scottish Games. Boy, you have really lost a lot of weight, very impressive to say the least. However, this is one point that I am jeaolous: Both you and Don Stewart have dropped weight, he to 250ish and you to 268. Genetics be damned that I have to drop weight from 240 to 205! You do the best with what the Lord gave you, just jealous  .I have printed off your nutrition remarks and they are now on my fridge, thanks again. ? Do you find the mass calculator online? I was thinking of using the fat % electronic hand-held machine they have at the gym. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/24/10 at 3:37am
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2/23/2010: Tuesday Threw today: Hammer, Sheaf and starting to try the WOB spin with a 28. Hammer went well with many winds to warm up and get form down and then 7 throws to work on the release. Did good by my standards. Did all throws in shoes. Next time I will use my blades. Sheaf was just throwing into the air in a field but my timing/form came back pretty well. Throwing a lighter sheaf bag (14lbs) for speed. Spin WOB: this is really no joke. I had the cast timing down a little at first but quickly lost it and kept losing my balance forward. I have much video to watch. MM ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 2/24/10 at 6:29am
I am honestly amazed at my progress since October. If you had told me last september that I would be approaching 260 by this point, I would have called you crazy (especially if you had told me that I would be very close with my incline 1RM to my body weight, almost able to do an honest pullup, squating my body weight on bar for 14 reps, and very close to 2x body weight in dead lift). I had always been Big and Strong, but when I started practicing for the games last summer I realized I had gotten REALLY Big and MUCH Weaker. I worked on strength as much as I could up through September, but got even heavier (I saw the scales hit 317 at one point). I realized I had to cut some weight, but I didn't want to give up the strength. in searching I found an article on zig-zag dieting and this led me to the site where I got my information. www.burnthefat.com. Great stuff. The e-book is $40, but well worth it. It explains why all of the stuff I mentioned works together to optimize results. http://www.csgnetwork.com/bodyfatcalc.html This is one online calculator that does BF% based on waist and weight. The resistance machines are supposed to be pretty good, but they are picky about your hydration level. I bought the accumeasure caliper off of Amazon for about $6 and have been using it from the start. Takes a little getting used to but gives good feedback as to whether or not your fat density is dropping. PM me and I can email you a spreadsheet that I have put together. It has several calculators on it including BF% and Basal Metabolic Rate Calculations. ------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/25/10 at 12:49pm
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02/25/2010: Thursday Throwing Day: 42WFD Started late and only got to throw 45 minutes. I ended up throwing with not enough rest between throws. I did 3 warm-ups and then 12 throws. I was hoping for the same instant effect I got from the 28WFD (following the advice I got on the throwing section) but didn't. Going to take more work. I did bend my knees more on a positive note. QUESTION: In scheduling a week of throwing, would it be better to throw the heavier WFD first and then the lighter? I was feeling a little beat up when I started (hammer winds are so great on your abs..sore!) this being my 3rd throwing day and 7th event this week. Good news: lost 8 lbs my first week of eating smaller meals (actually doing it this time) and clean food! Down to 230. My new weight belt came in today and I dead tomorrow! Tune in tomorrow, same bat time, same bat station. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 2/25/10 at 10:47pm
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"QUESTION: In scheduling a week of throwing, would it be better to throw the heavier WFD first and then the lighter?" I will say yes...for these reasons...and these are only gospel in DuncanLand, home of the Magical Liopleurodon and Candy Mountain. 1. Traditional order...might as well practice like you play. Keep training MM! 2. Helps develop speed, and if not speed in the Barry Allen sense, introduces the thrower to "implement overdrive." Basically, the 56 sucks, and is twice as heavy as the 28 (duh) Get the 56 moving a few times, really focusing on hitting your spots...you MUST concentrate on this...and then when you are at the point of diminishing returns do the same thing with the 28. Now you can really cast, catch, sink, and sprint to the trig. Repeat, and let go. Overdrive. 3. Maybe I just have sissy hands...but working with the 56 first lets me really get a hook-grip groove on. Tape is all compressed...little tacky here and there (style points) and the pain in my hand is already fading. Once all that is done, bring on the 28. 4. Because Stone Cold said so... Candy bats and chocolate rats, Duncan ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 2/26/10 at 1:49pm
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Makes sense to me Duncan, I separate the wfds in practice (one each day) but this works either way...and I am NOT one to go against the wishes of Stone Cold. Thanks for the input. 2/26/2010: Lift, short day due to work constraints: Dead: My "3" week in 5/3/1 (80/85/90%) 350x3 370x3 390x5 (+2) These were pretty good considering my head and heart were not in it totally. ....ever had one of those workouts when someone calls you that isn't particularly pleased when you get off the phone alittle too fast so you can not get cold....yeah...didn't go over too well.  This throws my game off (I need balance in life). So getting 5 with 390 was pretty good.I also have a new weight belt that is thicker than the one I had and that took some adjustment. Felt like it poked into my rib cage. I LOVE the lever on it though. And I also forgot my chalk...I will never ever do this again. **Stick-em does NOT work as a chalk substitute. Made the bar slippery. Another reason I am ok with 5 with 390. I didn't have much of a grip on the last 2. Hammer winds: 3 sets of 10-12 with a 15lb. That was it. Pretty good week overall, very happy to be training again. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 3/01/10 at 9:44am
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Robin, Now you got two carrots to chase after. Hee Haw!
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 3/01/10 at 11:00am
You MUST have read my post on Bill's log! ARRGH!!!! Seriously, I do want to know more about this "extreme training." ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 3/03/10 at 1:20am
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03/1/10: Rain out 03/02/2010: Tuesday (really wet) Throw day: focused on Stone (anything else would have gotten sunk in the mud.) Braemar: 14 throws working on form and then adding some ummph. Open Stone: 13 throws. Still working on the open stone and progressing from the shuffle (where I am now) to a glide. I tried the spin and couldn't get any power out of it. I am thinking to my limited brain power just going backwards may be more user-friendly although it is no way that simple. Finally got my shuffle down a bit. Feel comfortable for the first time. Got a glide training dvd and it has helped a lot. I read the Henry Rollins quote that Duncan posted and wow, did that hit home (again). The first time I heard that was in the very early 90s and I was driving home about two hours from home and it was around 2am. This radio station I was passing through played it, saying it was not the norm. I was so completely captivated by the words about iron and the lessons of it. It really hit home as I was very much the "little Henry" skinny kid described in the poem/spoken word. That ride home and that moment I will never forget. I have been a Rollins fan ever since. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 1:27am
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03/04/2010: Official Weigh-In: 229 I am going in the opposite direction of Criag, but as Craig said--not super fast but at least it is moving in the right direction. CHALLENGE: Mr Carrot Jeff Baty, I challenge you to put up a Training Log entitled "Training Log: Baty and Mann" or "Training Log: 2 Carrots." What da ya think? ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 1:35am
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Why? Don't you think you're doing enough to beat a couple of old men? Your Challenge will come sooner than you think. Get ready.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 1:51am
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Mr. Baty, I respect my elders and their knowledge and therefore, would appreciate the opportunity to learn from your training methods. You didn't get to be a carrot by not being very good, so there is much to learn, especially about something you describe as "extreme training." .....and I am getting ready. ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 11:26am
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Did that sound like a gauntlet being thrown down to anyone else? The die is cast...the pieces are moving. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 11:35am
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Duncan. Robin's been throwing down the gauntlet at me for the last 4 years. He has come close, but that's all. I've told him he better hurry up and beat me while I'm still somewhat young. I'm getting close to retiring. My back's not getting any straighter. Got to go do my extreme workout now.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: AlDargie
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 11:38am
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Whenever I hear gauntlet I think of that Bugs Bunny cartoon where he hits Elmer Fudd with the metal glove from the suit of armor.
------------- Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy. - Outlaw Josey Wales |
Posted By: Duncan McCallum
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 11:39am
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Sounds good to me! He is getting there. I think the last hurdle to 500 is in his mind. Should be an interesting meeting between y'all, if nothing else. ------------- The man in the arena. |
Posted By: J. Baty
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 11:53am
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I can't wait to have a showdown. I have nothing to lose. You'll need more than that 499 lb dead lift this year. Just pulling your string MM. Oh, I have my weight up to 242. Looks like I'm going to owe Bill Gray a dollar.
------------- J.Baty |
Posted By: Mountain Man
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 12:38pm
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I am sorry I am just reading your posts now Jeff and Duncan, I was outside doing some super-ultra-extreme training. My body couldn't even handle the strain of the ultra-ness as a got a flapper after ultra-throwing the 42/28. I have gotten to the point I don't even feel them, gerrrr. Duncan, Mr Baty is correct, I have thrown down the gauntlet the last four years, but by gum, THIS IS MY YEAR!!!! Perhaps the only hurdle left for my gauntlets is indeed in my head.... ....bought time to get over it.  Bring it on carrot! ------------- Robin Walker "The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
Posted By: dl_buffy
Date Posted: 3/04/10 at 1:43pm
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Now that is what I need...some super-ultra-extreme training. Sounds...uber. |