Question about WOB comp.

no- no spin vs stand debate....no- no hideous pictures of Roy dropping the bomb.....here it is 5 athletes in a class..5 in wob..all 5(athlete A,B,C,D,E) go in at 12 feet they all make it..bar raised to 13 feet athlete a,b,c all miss three attempts-they are out..athlete c& d make it on first attempt and decide to go one foot to 14 feet..athlete c makes it on his first go.athlete d misses three times...athlete c is the winner-bar is raised to 15-0 for the winner he nails it on first shot.Here is the question how long can Athlete c keep throwing??he hasn't missed a height-can he still keep going up in height or after he wins he gets one more height-which one is it?

My understanding of the rules is that you are allowed to keep going up until you miss three times.  Then you are allowed to take your 3 extra attempts as the event winner.  This is especially in play if they are using the decathlon scoring as you want to get as high as possible.  Now, for the interesting part:  If you are athlete "C" and you then go to 16ft and you miss three times.  Then you take your first of "three" extras and you make it on your first try.  You still have two more attempts.  So you go to 16'6" and you get it on your second try (but third of your three extras), you are then done and can't go any higher even though your last throw was a success.  Same rule applies to the sheaf (I know, I know, who cares)  That's my understanding, but I throw in an area that uses RMSA rules and since they use the decathlon system they allow the athlete to go until they are out.  Other groups may have a different rule.  Thom

The rules as written are a little confusing. I believe
the right way to do it is to keep going until you have
three misses at a height, and then you're done. There
should be no extra attempts on height events after three
misses.

It's strange, but you sometimes do see people make it after a lot of throws and several misses.

At Glasgow Lands, Jonathan Barlow made 17'1" with the 42 from the stand on his fourth attempt after 3 misses on accuracy.  He took the extra attempt just for fun and made it (clean).

One interpretation says, "Wait til next time."  The other says that this was a huge WR in WOB for lightweights.

-Wayne

yeah I just wanted some input..had been told one thing (that if athlete hadn't missed yet the comp was still going on & he could keep going on)but recently told another(that once athlete D is out c wins and gets three xtra attempts) here is one major reason why-this week at my next games I may not go in till 17 feet so if all other masters are out already I win on my first shot-but am only warming up and have 4-5 more good attempts in me( i'm under the premise that being the last event-you only have 5-6 strong productive attempts)so if only allowed 3-theres more in the tank-but if the comp is still going on-then I'm in till i miss 3X

The rules used by the SHA are very specific. Three misses and you are out. You only get extra throws in DISTANCE events. Simple and unequivocal (unlike the jumble of other rule sets that are out there).

Not speaking for Carlos, but I think I know the rule and I can clarify this Wayne:

The winning athlete can go up height after height as long as he/she clears each height within 3 attempts, not 4 5 or 6.  If he/she clears within the three, then he/she can name their next height and take 3 (only) at that height.  And so on and so on.......

however,  If the winning athlete is determined by a tie breaker, say two athletes miss 16' on all three but athlete A has no misses and athlete B has a miss at a previous height.  In this case Athlete A (the winner)does NOT get extra throws at 16', nor can they raise the bar and get three more, they are done and the comp is over.

I don't know if my input was misinterpreted or not, I just want to make sure I was clear on a point or two.  My understanding of RMSA is that you can keep going up as long as you make it within your three attempts.  Only once do you get three record attempts and then once those three are gone, you are done regardless of if you make it or not.  In theory, you can make three consecutive heights with successes on those three throws.  Just for the record, here was my progression with the other athletes at my games in the WOB:

The Masters threw with the open Pro/Am as one group.  Sean Betz and I cleared 18ft (obviously, he was using the 56, it was a Ironmind model, bell shaped with a ring).  I then asked for 19'1" and Sean agreed.  I cleared it and Sean took three tries and missed.  I then called for 20'2" and got it on my 2nd attempt.  I then called for 20'6" and got it on my 2nd attempt.  I then called for 21ft and took three tries and honestly wasn't close.  Steve Scott asked me if I wanted my three "record" attempts and I said no as I really felt I'd done my best pulls.  I guess I'm curious how SHA or other rule books would view this.  Anyone got any input for me? 

JWC III wrote: I don't know if my input was misinterpreted or not, I just want to make sure I was clear on a point or two....

OK, so maybe it's only East Coast Dave who dissents(?).

-Wayne

Thanks for the clarification, Carlos.  I frankly like this approach better than 3 extras.

-Wayne