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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

Uhm...actually...I looked it up to make sure before I did get them switched...:^P
Centripetal is the force that pushes you back toward the center, ie if you are in that barrel ride it is centripetal force that the wall is exerting on your back.
 
(So...ur hand is exerting the centripetal force on the weight.)
 
Centrifugal force is what makes it head away from the center...(from Latin centrum, meaning "center", and fugere, meaning "to flee")   Meaning the weight is is gaining in perceived weight because of the tendancy of it to 'flee' from your hand.
 
Booyah!
 
 
 
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The centripetal force is the force accelerating the weight toward the center of rotation.  In physics 15 years ago, it was made clear that centrifugal force was a made up quantity.  Now it looks like everyone has gotten sloppy and tried to make it a "real" quantity, but they have to call it either a Fictional Centrifugal Force, or the Centrifugal Reaction to Centripetal Force...
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WHAT?!?!  Hmmmm....you're telling me I haven't kept up on my scientific theory since I got out of school over....holey crap, 18 years ago...??
 
So riddle me this professor, if I put said object/mass at the end of a spring and I know that said 'weight' of object deflects the spring by a set amount.  What do I call the effect when I swing said object at end of spring and get increases in the deflection based on speed of rotation?
 
Wouldn't that be the cetrifugal force increasing the 'weight' and stretching the spring out more?
 
(Tried wiki'ing but hell not sure of my terms anymore since I am not allowed to test g forces on computers at work, they frown on that.)
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Re:  What do I call the effect when I swing said object at end of spring and get increases in the deflection based on speed of rotation? 

Dizziness.
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Walked around th eLA County Museum of natural History, today, then came back to the in-laws and we did some hang cleans and snatches.  Not a lot, doesn't matter...Santa Cruz Games on Saturday and I'm deloading bigtime.
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Dang Alan, your log gave me a math migraine.
Good luck this weekend Brother!
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Originally posted by Greg York Greg York wrote:

Re:  What do I call the effect when I swing said object at end of spring and get increases in the deflection based on speed of rotation? 

Dizziness.
 
Big smileLOLBig smile
 
Sorry Alan, tangental discussion will now be terminated.  Smile
 
 
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Tangential?   The hammer is only tangential to the radius AFTER you release it!

More hiking tomorrow, probably about 3 hours, 4 miles, 800 feet elevation gain.  Then aerobic plane sitting.

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We went hiking this morning, before we got on the plane....about 2 1/2 miles, maybe 3, and 1200+ feet of elevation gain. Gorgeous.  Now rest tonight and all day tomorrow and tear it up on Sunday.
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Santa Cruz Scottish Ren Faire and the Loch Lomond Highland Games


GIGANTIC Open Stone PR @ 34' 8.5" -totally stoked about that!  It didn't feel like anything special, but it just flew.  I like that stone, that didn't hurt any.  First throw of the day... POW.

I followed that up with a wretched performance in the Braemar stone, but then that stone had nowhere to hold on to.... 24' 10 or something. Kit Soneson beat me on this one by about a foot.

Heavy Hammer... good at 68' 8", still hunting 70.  I still think of an average throw as being about 64, but I've been throwing well over 65 almost all the time recently so maybe I have to "up" my standards!
Light Hammer ... a bit off, with a bunch of 78-footers but I stuck one at 81, which is certainly acceptable. Anything over 80 is good, though I want and should be throwing 84+ all the time. THANKS to Andrew Wooster and Heather MacDonald for some coaching tips in the hammer cage.

Weight over Bar... got 13 again, which is good, 13' 6" was out of reach, so Kit Soneson and I tied in this event.

Heavy Weight for Distance...32 feet and some inches. Nice
, though I fouled a lot of throws.   I have to drill my first turn more so that it's tighter and I'm not all over the place, as both Kit and our judge Kristina commented how I was all over the trig..  Also have to start practicing in a marked trig. Using a board and a back line is not enough.

Light weight for Distance ...48' 8"...certainly a very respectable toss, but I'm still in the hunt for 50+...again, fouled a lot of throws.  I did a "single spin" for my second toss, put it at 44+, which is pretty nice for a one-turn.  Did that 'cause I fouled my first one and I didn't want to get myself in a hole.

Sheaf.. cleared 24, would have cleared 25, but no 26, on Sunday.  I might have gotten it if I didn't get amped up and tight.
Turned the qualifying caber, then best of 11:50 with the "cyber caber", the indestructo  steel light post that the SHA has that's 15"  and about 80 pounds.  Kit got me with an 11:55 on this one.

All in all a good day, with a HUGE PR and no meltdowns...much...well, maybe Braemar.

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Nice pic from Kit Soneson.  Thanks, Kit!...bar is at 24.  I'd have gotten 26 if I hadn't gotten all amped up and tight about it.


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I forgot my ID card today so had to work out in the dinky "safe" gym in the Tresidder lair. NO FREE WEIGHTS. Well...OK, a good selection of dumbells (they upgraded, these are new) and some nice curl bars, but no squat rack. In fact, everything else in the gym is a machine..... or a latex ball. *sigh*
Anyway, today I channelled my inner Adriane Wilson by wearing my A Team teeshirt to the gym!

Incline db press ... 2 x 6 x 70 this was hard. Howzat? should be easy-peasy
db snatch ... 6 x 85 each hand... wow, seriously off here. I usually do these later in the workout. I was going to try 100 pound dbells, but they didn't have 'em.
upright rows ... 3 x 6 x 90 ...tore these up. That's more like it. If I'm gonna channel Adriane, I gotta be a beast!
incline situps ... 20 w/ 10 lb plate
box squats on the smith machine .... 6 x 185 / 5 x 205 / 4 x 235 / 2 x 2 x 255

I've never used a smith machine before.  I NOW HATE SMITH MACHINES. I bet Adriane wouldn't use a Smith machine.

curls for girlz ... 2 x 6 x 100 lbs
Pec Deck ... 3 x 5 x 175
....Killed the pec deck, for some reason. Must have been 'cause I was channelling my inner Adriane. Heh.    In case you haven't noticed, this week and next week are GO ADRIANE!!! weeks here at Alan Hebert fitness and attitude adjustment, central.
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Three-hour CHAC throws last night, most of it on weights.  Had new guy, "Matt" show up who took to the weights really fast, but has a ways to go with WOB and Caber.

Two+ hours on weights, throwing with a marked trig now.  We confirmed by video that I'm doing this wierd, stupid thing with my left foot in the middle of the trig. It's totally unnatural, how did I start doing this?  So worked on *losing* this little issue with some, but not great results.  I do it more on HWFD than light.  Tried going back to my old way of landing in a pretty narrow base at the end of the first turn and that seemed to help. I also don't foul out the back if I do that.

I spent a couple of throws trying to get my low point, before reversing my feet, back a bit, it does seem to help with staying in, so thanks, Jake!   Also threw 56 for distance a few times, since it went so God-awful bad in Greenville on Sunday two weeks ago. I chuck Steve Elliots' slightly overweight 56'er about 22 feet.  meh...could be worse.

Working on getting Bethany to come in low and flat on her cast and then goes ovaries to the wall in the sprint and pull. When she does it, she throws nearly 60, so c'mon girlfriend!  Got Robert to settle in a more balanced position, less bent over, and to think more about "get your feet down fast"  rather than "charge the trig".  He's so tall that going too aggressively to the front screws him up.  He had a couple of throws 58-60, NICE.

Then some WOB, not a lot.  Matt threw the 28 for starters, Robert got in a few pulls with the 56 and I cleared 10+  "clean" with the 56, three times, so that's good. I actually might throw 56 in practice for a while and see if it helps me build some  strength for the 42.

Then a bit of caber with the womens stick for Matt and the local rugby players. I played coach.  Fun practice.
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This morning on the way in I just got a hankering to turn me some caber.  So I put my bags down, ooched my sporran over to the side and picked "The Whomper". " ....16' 4" and 87 pounds..  Turned it three times,  two 12:00 and a 10:00.   Then I picked my bags back up, moved the sporran over to the middle and went to work.

I got into the main gym today at 1:30.... *whew*.. today was a day to try some new stuff.

Stretch cage, the usual
Strict overhead press .... 6 x 135 / 4 x 145 / 3 x 155 / 2 x 2 x 165 -*barely got that last one. I prolly cheated a bit. So sue me!

dumbell snatches ... I saw that John Davis was doing db snatches with 150 pounds, but lots fewer reps than I do with 85, so after an e-mail exchange I thought I'd see if I could do some at 100 pounds. I know I can do one, but I honestly did not know if I could do more than that. Well...suuuhPRIZE, suuuuhhhPRIZE ... 3 x 100 each arm, then pant for a while and 2 x100 right side, 1 x 100 left side. Happy.

curls because I have wimpy arms ... 2 x 8 x 90
captains chair leg lifts over a bar... 12, 10
Face pulls .... ... 2 x 10 x 47 "on the stack"

triceps pull-downs .... 2 x 8 x 72 "on the stack"
speed deadlifts ... because I haven't done them in a long time.... 2 x 6 x 215 .. man, that last set was hard to hold onto.
landmines ... 2 x 10 x bar + 70 pounds
Landmine pushes...I can't think of another name for them.... 10 x bar + 70 pounds each arm.
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Now off for a week, hiking in the eastern Sierra Nevada. No lift, no throw. Hike. Gawk. Sleep in. I dig it.
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Back from the Golden Trout Wilderness....  more granitic crystallography instruction than I can remember, and six days of hiking 5-7 miles a day above 10,000 feet. It was a BLAST and good mental break.

I actually got some of the camp staff and our botany instructor going on Braemar stone throws and two guys swear that they'll show up at Ventura.  We did a few caber tosses with some 12-foot cut down, dried out lodgepole pine poles, and then put two sledgehammer heads on a loop of rope for a pud, and threw that.  The  guys had a blast.

Tuesday night I dragged out the camp 10-inch Celestron  telescope and showed everybody the half-moon, which of course ruined everybody's night vision.  Then we checked in on the rings of Saturn, after the moon went down..  Saturn is in Virgo right now.  Then we flipped the scope around and looked at the Andromeda galaxy  after Cassiopeia came up over the horizon.  I showedfolks some of the simpler constellations:  the two dippers, Draco, Scorpio, Libra, Virgo, Cassiopeia....and of course where Polaris and Arcturus are.  Then I pointed out the constellation,  Cygnus, and the star Deneb in that constellation, 'cause Deneb is important.

 I was Camp Science Hero for the night.  I totally geek-rock.

Foam roll today at lunch and then some easy throws tonight after work. 
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Astronomologer, eh?

If the movie "Brave" is playing in your area with the Pixar short "La Luna" you need to go see it just so you understand how the half moon really works.
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I've seen LaLuna on YouTube lots of times!....still gotta see BRAVE, tho...

Todays gym time...was going to take it easy 'cause I'm throwing tonight, but I just felt good, sooo.,..

Stretch Cage, a bit more than usual

Hang Cleans ... 2 x 5 x 145 / 2 x 165 / 2 x 185 / 2 x 1 x 190  THAT'S  A PR<-lads...I've never hang cleaned 190 before.  Will I get 200 before Pleasanton?
Incline Bench ... 6 x 145 / 6 x 165 / 3 x 185 / 1 x 205....tried for 2x, no go.
box jumps ... 6 x 24 inch box
graded box jumps, (thanks Donna-the-Trainer) ... 5x up a series of 6, 12, 24 inches boxes, go FAST, hit the  MIDDLE of each box. UGH...but I'm gonna keep doing this. Old Man needs more boingggg....
Upright rows ... 3 x 6 x 90, pull up over the eyes
foam roll, bigtime, and lacrosse ball on feet and inside of left knee.

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Three hours CHAC throwing practice last night, most of it on weights. We had four throwers out tonight.  Something funny is happening to my throws. I'm over-turning the first rotation. My right foot is replacing the left OK...I'm within about 6 inches of "the spot" but I'm turning WAY too much and my sprint takes me clean out of the box.  I'm having to back off on the first turn to stay in.  Must WAIT  and then *ping*  quick the first rotation. If I do that, I'm OK but it feels very wierd, and UN-aggressive.

Still doing the steppy wierd thing with my left foot in the middle of the box. It's me compensating for this huge over-rotation in the first spin, that's what it is.  If I back off, it shrinks down to almost nothing.

Then some hammer....back was tired. *meh* ..... trying to get Steve Elliot  to wind on his right side and look up at delivery.

Then some stones with Ted.  Ted has got the "chest up" thing figured out, he's gonna PR at Monterey for sure.  I was just plain tired and did nothing of any note.  Finished up by showing some Shinty players how to throw hammer and stones.
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Originally posted by Duncan McCallum Duncan McCallum wrote:

WFD - Sounds like you are leaning backwardz.


This is just wierd, Dunc. It took me two practices and Steve Elliott telling me exactly where I was winding up after the first turn to grok what was going on.  I think the key to correcting this is to relax....still have the hips tell the weight where to go, and wait..wait...wait for it...*ping*-reverse nice and quick and easy.  The 3-4 times I did that, I threw pretty well, the foot-wierdness minimized, and I wound up delivering the weight from the middle-to-left-hand-third of the trig.

..............instead of two feet outside the left-side line. Seriously.
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Super-easy practice last night, I mostly played "coach" with one of my returning throwers, getting him up to speed for  Sundays California Team Championships.  

I picked, carried the Cardinal caber through our little "obstacle course" and got off four pulls for four turns, two 12:00's so that's good.  The Cardinal caber is 14' 6", about 70 pounds, stupid-thick, very hard to get a handle on,  and a total pencil.   That's plenty for a Thursday before a Games....just a good reminder on how to do it, and a little caber-control drill.
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Happy with how the Team Championships went on Sunday, but sorely disappointed in a couple of CHAC members who were total no-shows, leaving me with 3/5ths of a team.  We had to recruit a guy out of the stands, who was a returning B thrower from Saturday. I threw a t-shirt on him and we did our best, but sheesh. Thanks for pitching in, Patrick!

My throwing was at the bottom end of the scale. I'm knocking on the door of a PR in heavy hammer, everything else is sorta OK to World of Suck.  If I didn't have Kathys trophy to give out at Enumclaw, I'd cancel, they have a huge group of Masters who are all tons better than I am, anyway.    But I won't bail...gotta give out that trophy.
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OK, after yesterdays pity party, I got back on the pony today.  I forgot my Uni ID card again, dammit so had to use the wimpy gym in the student center. At least I discovered that they have Oly bars....not very nice ones, but at least they have them. I can do hang cleans.

no much stretching to warm up. I walked on campus for 30 minutes to get here, though.

dumbell snatches ... 2 x 6 x 85...they don't have 100's.  Maybe that's a good thing, today!
OH dumbell press... 2 x 6 x 60 each arm
hang cleans... 3 x 5 x 155
curls/upright row combination .... bang 'em out, no stop between curls and rows...3 x 5 x 80 lbs

core crushers.... had no rack to set them up on, so had to pop them off the floor, and I was tired, already. *whine*...... 2 x 10 x 135.

Dealt with very chatty weight room supervisor. Oy ve.
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45 minutes laid back throws last night...just me.

Did about 10 LWFD tosses, working on wait, wait, waaaaaiiitttt...*ping* with the feet.  Also trying to not move backwards in the trig with my first turn.  Let's try moving forwards a couple of inches, instead. Most throws @ 47-50 even with kinda burned up legs from Monterey, still, and when I do this, I move straight down the middle of the trig. No fouling out the side, like I did twice at Monterey.

Did some open stone, trying to seriously hit the hip.... tried a few glides. They're about the same as usual, I get the same distances standing as I do gliding.  I didn't have much kaboom, but I'm still recovering, so no worries.
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

They're about the same as usual, I get the same distances standing as I do gliding. 
 
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That's why I started spinning...  Of course either I go significantly farther than standing or significantly shorter...
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I figure that Mike Baab stands his open stone, so I can stand my open stone.  Kate Burton stands her open stone, so I can stand my open stone.  Tongue

KISS.  I have enough to figure out, with the other 8 events, the last thing I need to do is get fancy with O Stone, which is my worst event.  I was a discus thrower.....still am a discus thrower so you'd think that rotational O stone would be kind of a natural. NOT.

I'll probably throw off-season track again this winter and I'll work on a shotput glide. I got some big pointers from Rusty Price and Adriane Wilson this Spring and I can put them into practice.

Three Hour CHAC practice last night.   I mostly played coach.  We had two new ladies out throwing, they are tearing it up, great fun to see.   One of our semi-regular lasses who threw in college had a suggestion for Robert K. that helped him get his O stone out over 40...stuck a few at about 42-43. NICE....he's gonna be an A class thrower, really soon.

Me?  Did some O stone...hit the HIP, extend, extend.  meh.  32 feet.  The usual.
Legs are totally burned up so did a couple of LWFD disastrous throws and decided to play coach for the rest of the night.  I need some rest.
Alan Hebert
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