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Posted: 2/23/10 at 6:40pm | IP Logged Quote butterbean

ok,so ive been on a weight lossw program and in the gym for 6 weeks now.....im working on upper body and legs. now i want to work on my core,,,not trying to get ripped just more of a tighter belly area...any suggestions?

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 11:58am | IP Logged Quote dl_buffy

A bunch of views and no answer.  I would hazzard a guess that it is because of the wording of your question.

Are you a thrower?  Are you a fitness athlete?  Are you a power lifter?  Are you looking pose down at the beach?

First....there is no such thing as targeted fat reduction.  None.  Ever.  The only way to get an instant 'tighter belly area' is surgery.  I say instant as you have only been working out for 6 weeks?  BAH!  Guys here work out for MONTHS to drop weight and stay strong.

If you are wanting to lift heavy, you lift heavy.  That will work your core.  If you want strong stomach do crunches, cable pulls, blah blah blah.... If you want strong back do back workouts...deads, chins, good mornings, supermans, blah blah blah.

You must have heard all that before...so I can only guess this post was a toungue in cheek thing and then...well you got me.

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 12:03pm | IP Logged Quote C. Smith

Ya, I didn't answer cause I figured the thread was a level.

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 2:29pm | IP Logged Quote Silverback

I know the Bean and he is just asking a question on how to improve.  I don't know his entire history, but I think he is a good B level thrower moving up to the A's.  I also don't know his weight lifting history so he will have to comment there.  I do know he is a nice guy with a good heart.  Good luck on the quest Bean. 

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 3:07pm | IP Logged Quote M-BAAB

bean - leg raises and Russian twists.......and REALLY heavy deads and fronts

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 3:20pm | IP Logged Quote Borges

I once asked Jeff Bain what he did for abs. His response "I throw the hammer, that's all the core work anyone needs."



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Posted: 2/24/10 at 4:44pm | IP Logged Quote KiltBill

Brother Bean, see my training posts for ideas, feel free to ask questions. Slosh pipe really helps with caber stability, good mornings & situps are also good. Add in Russian twists otherwise known as core crushers as well as the other Mike Baab recomendations and you will be ripped. You and Jeff Baty can have a pose down. Hope to throw with you soon.

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Posted: 2/24/10 at 5:34pm | IP Logged Quote Mountain Man

I haven't felt my core/abs more sore than after doing hammer winds...and it helps your hammer.

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Posted: 2/28/10 at 1:13pm | IP Logged Quote butterbean

silverback, thanks for the kind words....same to bill as well.

and dl_buffy...love the sarcasm and cold hard truth...if i pose down at the beach....it'll be the beached whale callendar,lol but im a thrower....in B's looking at the A's.

workout history in the gym has been off and on for years,ive always been strong just by growing up on a farm and on the job training at other jobs that ive had that deals with heavy lifting. so ive been consistantly in the gym now for 6 going on 7 weeks doing alot of upper body and as well as lower body and in 3 weeks have lost 15lbs w/55 more to go.

but all in all i just wanted suggestions to get a better core..cause im looking by no means to get smaller,just better fit and not such a "round shape" that ive always been.

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Posted: 2/28/10 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote dl_buffy

Ah...well that changes things a bit.  I've known lots of farm guys around here that are strong as an ox, but not what you would call trim.  Since you most likely have the muscle mass, this changes the advice from the normal..."muscle burns calories" which applies to most couch potatoes.

Now you need to look at other things beyond muscle as the answer to losing fat.  I have been invited to many a home made meal here in the midwest and there are LOTS of carbs in them.  What are your meals like currently?  I am not suggesting dieting...but usually there is room to cut back on carbs and stuff...and add a bit of protein or filler (veggies/fruit).

Cardio can help a bit, but it really is not the panacea that every ad on the internet would have you believe.  Cardio has to be done like the guys here are doing it...huffing and puffing.  Stairs, snowshoeing, breaking a sweat and keeping it while throwing...that kinda stuff.

As for the strength bit...it sounds like you also want a 'stronger' core?  If you were on a farm then you have done lots of throwing and hauling.  That stuff can make a guy bullet proof in the abs and lower back.  Do you feel that you have lost that?

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Posted: 2/28/10 at 4:41pm | IP Logged Quote dl_buffy

ps....as for the migrating coconuts...'it could grip it by the husk' 
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Posted: 2/28/10 at 5:20pm | IP Logged Quote C. Smith

Shape is directly related to diet, ainec.  Cardio is a distant 2nd. (well, everything after genetics really)

Deads and Squats for core.


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Posted: 3/01/10 at 9:58am | IP Logged Quote mthompson33

Bean,

Hey, it sounds like we are pretty much in similar circumstances.  Differences being:

I started where you are about 5 months ago.
I probably had lost much more of my "farm" strength than you have (Engineer for 11 years sitting at a desk).
You've probably been involved in the games longer than me.

Amen to what these guys are saying about core strength.  Lift hard on the squat and dead and you will get stronger.  If you have problems lifting heavy on these, then it might help to augment with a couple days of core work (consider it assistance work).  I still throw a day (1 per week) of roman chair front and back, hanging leg lifts, russian twists and Suitcase side bends.  I sandwich this between 10-15 min on the elliptical and 10-15 min on the rowing machine first thing in the morning.

If your interested in burning the fat off, Craig is absolutely correct.  Nutrition is the key.  For a sedentary person I would say that Nutrition and Strength Training are the key, but  you already do the strength training, so Nutrition is what will do it for you.  Cardio can be useful, but only if your nutrition is correct.  If you eat more than you burn you're not going to burn fat.  The trick is figuring out how much to eat and developing a maintainable lifestyle.  Sounds like you are on the right track, I would not recommend shooting for 5#/week over any significant period of time, but starting out, that isn't too uncommon.  The deal is many sources will say that you can either lose weight or gain strength.  With  "Zig-Zag" nutrition you can maximize strength gains by targeting calories around your strength training and still burn fat most of the week.

Check out my training log if you want.  I discuss some of this stuff there.  I was 309 with a 51" waist on October 10th.  I'm 268 with a 42" waist now, and significantly stronger than I was then...  I'm on target for 255 by June.


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Posted: 3/04/10 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote 70theelder

Bean, Remember diet is die only with a t added.  Eat within reason train beyond all reason and sleep.  As far as weight loss and cardio(definately not my strong suit) i am currently becoming intimate with the prowler sled.  My wife got me one for Valentines day love her heart.  I have pulled many sleds over the years but there is something about pushing this thing.  I am too big a puss right now to get to a full blown prowler flu but with the limited work i have done thus far this thing is awesome.  If you get a chance check one out.

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Posted: 3/04/10 at 9:11pm | IP Logged Quote butterbean

thanks guys for the advice......keep em coming...

well i havent been on the farm in about 8 yrs. i graduated high school in 2000,moved away from my hometown in 2002. but during all those years living near home, i of course worked the farm,sawmill,logging,etc...so of course no long distance runner,but i could pull a greasy string through a cat arse....lol

but even after i moved away i stayed active in truck driving transporting heavy equipment,logs,blocks masons laborer....ya know,grunt work...then highland games entered my world back in '06 and that pretty much kept me active in moving heavy stuff...but it just seems that ive lost some of that strength in just recent years,now im into firefighting along with games and i know i had to make a change.

first of february i started performance medicine which consist of phentermine pills and B12 vitamin shots,and wow what a difference,with doing this ive lost 15lbs in three weeks,feel alot better with energy and then with weightlifting on top of that..my world has changed. so thats pretty much up to dat with what im doing,i just want to be more fit,not ripped,but more of a fridge shape,than a keg shape..even though i do have a barrel chest..cant get rid of that....

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Posted: 3/04/10 at 9:15pm | IP Logged Quote butterbean

oh yeah...and i have changed "my eating habit",not diet....no fast food,no cokes,etc.....unsweet tea(which is of the devil) i just add sweetner. eating more fiber,drinking more water,no starches,potatoes....but on weekends i do change it up a bit,just cant deny myself all the pleasures in life of eating,but i still watch what i eat....

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Posted: 3/05/10 at 12:05pm | IP Logged Quote mthompson33

Affirmative on the fast food and cokes. 

I definitely haven't cut out the starches in my nutrition.  I do try to target them around workouts and early in the morning.  Oatmeal in the Morning.  Small can of baked beans or a sweet potato before lifting and a high carb meal (80-100g carb) like pasta or rice with protein (55g) after lifting heavy.  If I cut my carbs too low I stall on weight.

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i wanna throw in-

Do a power clean with a deep squat combo.

then drop and do floor sweepers

I have gained almost 20 lbs in the last 4 months and still have ab breaks in my gut.

AND- I will also second Craig's comment above. Diet is alot.  I will not eat much white flower, and sugar is a no no.  Well except alcohiol of course :)



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just in case, here is the floor sweeper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOxHeckpaI

 



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Posted: 3/10/10 at 1:21pm | IP Logged Quote jpluidl

I do not like the term "core".  This term was created by the fitness industry to sell ab videos and boyancy balls.  Your core is from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head.  You need to address all parts of your body.  Any weak link will stifle the whole.

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Posted: 3/10/10 at 1:51pm | IP Logged Quote C. Smith

jpluidl wrote:

I do not like the term "core".  This term was created by the fitness industry to sell ab videos and boyancy balls.  Your core is from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head.  You need to address all parts of your body.  Any weak link will stifle the whole.



No.

Core by definition means the center of something. 

Obv you need to address head to toe, and do "total body" things.  But core is just what everyone else in this thread has said or implied. 


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Posted: 3/10/10 at 6:52pm | IP Logged Quote Silverback

I want to know who in the fitness industry invented the term core?  I can remember my grandfather talking about the center of an apple when I was young and he called it the core, could he have invented that?  I did not even know pop was in the fitness industry, I thought he was a peanut farmer. 

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Posted: 3/11/10 at 9:37am | IP Logged Quote jpluidl

C. Smith wrote:
jpluidl wrote:

I do not like the term "core".  This term was created by the fitness industry to sell ab videos and boyancy balls.  Your core is from the bottom of your feet to the top of your head.  You need to address all parts of your body.  Any weak link will stifle the whole.



No.

Core by definition means the center of something. 

Obv you need to address head to toe, and do "total body" things.  But core is just what everyone else in this thread has said or implied. 

 

 

Yes.

 

Nothing is done in isolation.  Squats, Olympic lifts, deadlifts, overhead lifts place incredible overload on the midsection.  Medicine ball work, drills, everything works what is termed as "The core"

 

But for a simple answer.  After each workout do Pre-Stretched Crunches, Russian Twists or side bends for 3 sets of 12.  Simple, straight forward and works.

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Posted: 3/11/10 at 2:49pm | IP Logged Quote Silverback

Yea, but what about pop?

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