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    Posted: 4/02/05 at 7:01am
I'm training on the Braemer and open stone. However,I have a 30lb stone..I would like some opinions about this..Is a heavier stone beneficial or detrimental(sp?)..??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M-BAAB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/05 at 8:51am
Ruskie - sure...use stones of all sizes/weights to train  strength and explosion and the ability to adapt to some of REALLY odd-shaped rocks you'll run across at the games. Try this....pick a rock and do several braemars to get a mark then use your open stone technique to make sure the spin/glide is really helping.Some shotput website I read said that your open should be 115-116% of braemar...ie: a 16lb 40' braemar should result in a 46' open. I like to use  big rocks in a stone for height fashion - great for all body explosion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dWood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/05 at 9:15am
good drill I learned(or read about years ago from Coach mac)..wass to go to a football field stand five paces from the uprights stnding put over the crossbar-keep going back at two paces and try again repeat until you fail..I usually do this drill with an open(16 or 17)stone and when I'm having a problem getting height on my stone-two years ago having problems putting over 40 regularly so did this drill for a few weeks and lo and behold my last 5 games hit 42-44
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Overhead shots and stones are tremendous power builders, Damn....Need to do them.  Thanks guys!
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Chad Lord, (the Lord of the Stones) showed us 2 ways to practice the bramer.

One is to take a stone, at least 20 pounds, and in a standing position, with both hands throw the stone outwards over you head. The other is just the same but your toss is backwards over you head.

 Just don’t drop the stones on your head! For some reason, it hurts!!



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I've seen Braemar thrown two handed, but which better, put or two-handed?
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Hey-

I like to throw'em in this order:

BS14lb, BS16lb, BS18lb, BS22lb, Open16lbshot, OS14lb and OS16lb.

Good luck with your stones,

-Throw'n ta Thrill 

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 Is a two handed Braemar a legal throw?
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Yeah, it's good to work with 3 different sizes of stones.  The sizes I work with are a 14lb for speed training, a 17lb for regular throws, and a 24lb for power. 

It's good to alternate the three during practice, or do a practice with the mid weight and the light weight, then do a practice with the mid weight and the heavy weighted one. 


I know the ruskies did tons of stuff with weight changes in their implements, hell I have my kids do it for practice.  It helps, that's for sure.
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I'm thinking since you happen to mention Russian training...kettlebell training should have a huge carry over benefit...

I use my Rolling Thunder from Ironmind as a kettlebell also..plus I'm addicted to lifting stones in general..

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As a matter of fact, I do incorporate KBs w/ my lifting.  Luckily, the college I coach at has them, so I make all my throwers use them.  It's funny, they are so simple, yet very beneficial.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Edward Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/04/05 at 1:37pm

I am showing my inexperience.

There is no standard size or weight of the stone. The stone must be put with one hand and with the stone remaining against the neck throughout the throw until the release. Any throwing style may be used as long as the rules are followed and the style is deemed safe by the judge.

I must have seen the Irish Stone throw being discussed in another thread.

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Using heavier and lighter than normal weights are an excellent way to increase speed and power in the throws.  It is a common technique used in the Olympic throws.

There are two important things to remember.  Do not use implements that are to far away from the normal weight.  About 4 lbs. difference is all you need either way, otherwise it can have a detrimental affect on your form.  Second, always end your session using the regulation weight.

An open stone session may go like this.  Most stones are between 16 lbs. to 18 lbs., so let's say 17 lbs. is normal.

19 lbs. stone x 6 - 8
13 lbs. stone x  12 - 15
17 lbs. stone x 8

The number of repititions can vary depending on the schduled volume and intensity  of the workout.

If you want to seriously do this, you will have to get some odd size implements made.  This may be a bit difficult for the weight for height and distance, but the Old Celt and Bobby Dodd may be able to do it.  It may just cost a little more.  They do get some odd sizes.

For the hammer you can get 14, 16 and 22 lbs. hammer and slide weights down the handle.  The trick is keeping them on the handle.

You can get sheafs in 16, 20 and 24 lbs.

Use 16, 18 and 20 foot cabers.  You will need a partner to upright the cabers over 16 feet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C. Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/09/05 at 10:25am

Originally posted by jluidl jluidl wrote:



You can get sheafs in 16, 20 and 24 lbs.

A 24 lb sheaf is a bad idea....that's just asking for injury.  Everything else is a good idea though.

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