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grasshopper 
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 Topic: Who uses what?Posted: 1/08/05 at 3:53am |
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Was reading the stength post in the General section and the topic of performance enhancing drugs was brought up. Made me wonder what everyone uses. I dont use anything. Swore to myself I wanted to be natural. Only drug I use is mass quantities of alcohol TROB |
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 4:05am |
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Creatine is a nutritional supplement. You may or may not see
improvements while using it. It worked like crazy for me the
first time I used it, but did nothing for me the second time a few
years later.
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grasshopper
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 4:31am |
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You know me Wayne. ive got no trouble gaining weight in the gym. I almost dont want to lift because I gain so much. TROB |
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 11:39am |
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I can tell you one thing.I'm clean.I'm a little imbalanced as it is.I would hate to see how I would act if I started screwing with hormones.I know they work but,the long term effects aren't worth it.
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G-man
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 12:47pm |
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Steak, Potatoes, Scottish Ale and Irish Stout are the drugs the body
needs! Oh and the occasional shot of 100% algava tequila to mix it up a
bit!
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grasshopper
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 1:43pm |
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Thats what I like to hear!!!!
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dflanagan
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 2:06pm |
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None of the scientific research I have read has separated the endurance effects of creatine from the endurance effects of increased intracellular volume + potassium + glucose, which accompany the prescribed method of creatine intake. That is, most forms of creatine encourage ingestion with grape juice (daily, for at least one week, then 1-4 times per week afterwards) which translates into a significant increase in one's intake in simple sugars. To my knowledge, no one has compared the performance-enhancing effects of this regimen with a comparable regimen including a non-creatine substitute. I believe that it is no coincidence that Paul Anderson drank a gallon of milk DURING his work-outs. This would provide enough simple carbohydrate to stimulate the release of insulin-like growth factors, and enough phosphorous to replace the presumed effect of creatine. Chocolate milk, with it's greater concentration of simple sugars, and xanthines (caffeine-like chemicals that facilitate the transport of glucose into cells) should be even more effective in allowing extended muscular exertion. Bottom line: I'm a fat old man with numbers that are inferior to most of you who contribute to this message board, but I have made more gains drinking 1/2 gallon of chocolate milk during my pathetic work-outs than I have with creatine, ephedrine, etc. |
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 3:22pm |
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Well, creatine has several effects. First, for responders (and a
decent percentage of people simply don't respond to it), is the
increased muscular endurance. This lets you get a couple of extra
reps in your working sets, which has a phenomenal effect on your
strength gains. This has been proven in lots and lots of
studies: creatine is the most-studied nutritional supplement, so
this isn't related to the simple sugars some people take with their
creatine.
Another effect is that creatine is anti-catabolic: people with muscle-wasting diseases (MS and ALS) use it to reduce the rate of muscle loss. This could reduce the loss of protein that muscles often suffer shortly after intense exercise. This, BTW, is why it's a good idea to take a quick-absorption form of protein (usually whey protein) immediately after a workout. Milk isn't good for this, because casein clots in the stomach and is absorbed very slowly. The volumization of muscles by creatine has two effects:
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grasshopper
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Posted: 1/08/05 at 3:30pm |
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Hey Wayne go on IM. TROB |
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Posted: 1/13/05 at 5:13am |
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Geez...I keep telling you guys the secret is in the Chilli Cheese tater tots!
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 2:01am |
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So do you take the tater tots to the gym with you or is it strictly a post-workout supplement?
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 3:42am |
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Tried creatine -- got the runs, that's about it. The loading phase is
brutal. Plus, creatine became a marketers dream -- open any muscle mag
and you will see. As soon as andro and ephidrine were off the market,
creatine became the next big thing. Frankly, it is not. Google
"creatine" and "study" or "science" and you will see that there is no
major study proving creatine does anything major for a lifter.
Lately, I have been using Tribulis. It is a root the bulgarians have been using for years. Essentially, it is a testosterone topup. If you have a wife or girlfriend, she will like the side effect -- you are as randy as a polecat. Also, I either drink two cups of coffee before a workout or lately I have tried YJ Stinger mints. Each is a cup of coffee. I also pop an aspirin as well -- good for heart and sort of a half stack, if you know what I mean. Get your vitamins too -- especially B complex. Other than that, guzzle, swill and consume protein. I think the question of this forum is: Are the Highland Games becoming overrun with steroid users? That, is the real question. As an amateur who is pushing 40, I have no aspirations of becoming the next world champion, I just don't want 18 year olds kicking my fat ass. |
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 4:43am |
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Noooooooooooooooo.
Oh lets not dive back into the steriod debate again! There was a quite heated thread sometime last year (or the year before) that had a lot of accusations, finger pointing, etc. Nobody is going to come to this message board and admit to anything other than scotch, french fries, and/or stuff we buy at GNC. Lets just say some guys out there are roid users (not me baby!), most guys are not....and the users are typically NOT the best throwers. At least from what I have seen. For the record, I use MSM and Glucosamine to help with the aching knees and shoulders. Not sure it does much, but I take it anyway. Protein powers, because it is cheaper than buying chicken and steak for 4 meals a day. Advil after the competition so my wife doesn't have to hear me p!ss and moan all the way home. ....and beer, french fries, etc. |
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 7:56am |
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Well put Big Kevin!!
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 8:02am |
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Here here Well put Kev
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 8:52am |
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Now if this thread goes down the avenue of the following:
1. Sharing success stories about supplements that help. 2. Sharing stories about supplements that are a waste of $$$. Then I say, have at it. If you guys want to do the steriod debate again...that is cool too. I can avert my attention away from the thread. To quote Jon Voight's character in "Heat"... "It's a free country brother." Anyway...something that some of you may find helpful. After years of choking down milk based protien drinks (choclate, vaninna, etc.) with the consistancy of exterior latex paint, I finally found a decent fruit flavored protien drink that I like. It is a lot more like drinking cool-aid. Usually ends up being about $1 per serving, or even a little less. Low in cholesterol and fat (as my cholesterol levels are usually suspect), about 90 calories, and 23g of whey isolate protien per serving. It is the "Nectar" series of drink powers by Syntrax. Most of them taste pretty good, and only the blue one REALLY stains stuff when you spill it.  ...and no I don't work for the company. (Nor am I sponsored by them...or anyone else for that matter. *sniff*) Edited by KTDupuis |
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Posted: 1/14/05 at 2:24pm |
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I wasnt looking for a steriod debate. Just wanted to know the pros and
cons of sup use and what people use. Good will always triumph over evil in the end anyway. TROB |
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Posted: 1/15/05 at 2:45am |
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I concur. I wasn't necessarily looking for a steroid discussion. Perhaps it was more a rhetorical question.
That aside, does anyone else use Tribulus and have you found it effective. |
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Posted: 1/15/05 at 2:51am |
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I did some research online on the stuff. Looks like good stuff. Id never
heard of it. Thats why I started the post in the first place. Good work. |
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Posted: 1/15/05 at 2:59am |
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I have researched most brands in Canada. PVL has the best price for
quantity. I can get 90 1500mg tabs for 19.99 (Gold Member price at GNC
and discount price at Extreme Fitness Nutrition House). Regular GNC
price is 24.99. Best deal so far.
Is Andro available anywhere at all any more? I have heard about its success. I know it was banned in the US. What about in the Great White North? Or, via the Net? |
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Posted: 1/15/05 at 3:01am |
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There have been a bunch of studies on Tribulus that show it does nothing in humans.
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Posted: 1/17/05 at 1:42am |
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Ah....you assume most highland games athletes are actually HUMAN!
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Posted: 1/17/05 at 2:16am |
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Im sure Steve Santoli isnt!!!
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Posted: 1/18/05 at 8:31am |
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Posted: 1/24/05 at 6:18am |
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So Hefty Smurf pipes up with a blind side attack as to which species I belong to! I see how it is going to be!
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Posted: 1/24/05 at 7:01am |
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Tribulus is actually the main ingredient in most of these "Natural Male Enhancers" they advertise during football games. Enzyte etc. so whether it increases testosterone production in humans or not it does (as someone else said) have side effects that keep the misses happy. |
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! Am I limiting myself by not using stuff like creatine or andro?
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