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K-Monster
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Posted: 2/25/07 at 6:04pm |
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On 12/21 I did 3x3 of 500 with belt just so I'd feel a little less sorry for myself after the shoulder surgery on 12/22. I bought a Krepinsek safety squat bar last summer, didn't use it much because it rode high. Everything is done for a reason though, and I had to get accustomed to the bar because I couldn't reach back for a regular bar after the shoulder surgery. For 7 weeks I did squats and good mornings with this bar. I've gotten fairly used to the bar, and just for a change I decided that after all these years of using a power belt and wraps in the off-season, I'd go au fresco this off-season. Last night, 8 weeks and a few days out, I did 3x3 of 500 again, but this time the belt stayed hanging on the wall and the toolshed swung free in the wind - a liberating experience. The last time I had pulled on anything was 12/21. I think the relatively heavy good mornings (315) with no belt (or maybe just the spice of variety) kept my dl up and even increased it. Right now, my body is telling me that the good mornings oly style make me even more explosive than dl's. Part of it is that cherry safety squat bar that really lets you focus on explosion with no distraction. SteveP posted a really good video example of oly style good mornings a while back. Krepinsek: www.1500lb.com |
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 2:02am |
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Wow, that is excellent, excellent work, considering the circumstances.
It really is easy to get used to going beltless, isn't it? -Wayne |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 4:50am |
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Sound very spicy K Monster, we are going to have to hook for a session now. I think the entire lifting mindset is different in some camps. I train like Craig does in using the gym to get stronger. The entire body stronger. Not thinking of rep speed or explosiveness in relation to the throw, just getting stronger in each muscle group like a body builder taking the body apart. The idea is to use throwing and throwing drills to make you throw better and be strong from the gym. Some people look for movements that mimick a throw and use them to get stronger. They are thinking of the lift in regard to the throw, speed and technique. I would guess this crowd is not doing weighted pull ups. |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 4:57am |
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Heh, are you joking? I like the feeling of power in my core that it provides, but lifting au fresco is tough for me, especially when squatting. One thing about lifting this way combined with a shitload of situps: it gives me a kind of distended gut. All in all, it's a good experience that I'll keep going with. Back on the DL's, I'm pretty convinced that I personally need DL's and GM's, as opposed to one or the other. |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 5:15am |
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I am a big believer in lifting without a belt unless absolutely necessary. It insures that nothing is left out. Wearing too much supportive gear can leave certain muscles, tendons, etc. underdeveloped. The stability and strength in the core you get is unbelievable. When I first started doing this 3 years ago I was surprised at how stong I could get without a belt. Once you've lifted a while without a belt, putting one on gives you an immense psychological and physical boost. Now I only use a belt when I reach a certain weight in my workouts when I squat or deadlift. All of this is just my opinion and it works for me.
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 5:22am |
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For what it's worth, I also agree with this 100%. Once you get used to not wearing a belt, it becomes a non-issue until you get near your 1RM, when a belt would likely help you move more weight if that is your goal. However, I literally never wear one. This definitely improves your core strength.
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 6:24am |
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Peter, what are your best lifts w/o a belt?
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 6:46am |
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Matt, I just started getting back into lifting last summer after approximately a 15 year layoff. I am 40 years old and currently weigh about 255 with just a slight gut at 6'3" tall. My current totally raw (no belt, knee wraps, etc.) 1RM lifts from just before Christmas (they would be about 20 pounds more now) are Front Squat - 335 (done ATG - no old PR), Back Squat - 425 (done Olympic style well below parallel - old official PR was 500 as a lean 215 pound 19 year old, obviously totally clean), Power Clean - 265 (old PR was 300, and 285 any day), Hang Power Snatch - 185 (minimal dip, just getting into these - no old PR), Push Press - 225 (just getting into these - no old PR), Deadlifts - NA (but I certainly could NOT do 500 pounds in the full, conventional style). I can't do flat benches anymore due to a shoulder injury from playing beach volleyball over 15 years ago (doh!!!) and have had some rotator cuff impingement issues since I started training again as well, so I haven't done much with the incline dumbell presses yet. For what it's worth, my old PR in the flat bench with just a slight bounce was 365 ( I got to within 2" of lockout with 405 with a reasonable bounce with no pad - I had very limited triceps strength and probably had 16" arms at the time). I am looking to improve the current maxes listed by about 20% by the end of June (if training goes well etc etc). Peter. Edited by Peter Ingleton |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 7:32am |
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Great job, Peter. I'm 45. I started competing in 2005. I love it. The HG family is loaded with a great bunch of people. I missed last year due to a knee injury in Sept 2005. Are you anywhere near New England? There are a lot of excellent games and excellent throwers here.
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 8:03am |
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Matt, I live in a suburb just west of of Toronto, Canada. I try to get together with Harvey Barkauskas and Berle Conrad near London occassionally (this is a long trek for me and I have a wife and two young boys, so...). I look forward to meeting you this season - perhaps at Alma or the MWC? I would also love to hear from any throwers located in the Greater Toronto Area or north-west of Toronto. Peter. |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 12:05pm |
You say that like it's a bad thing. -Wayne |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 12:13pm |
There's meaty goodness in all of it for sure. Actually, I need to start getting on the chinups, because that exercise was a prime indicator that something was wrong with my shoulder prior to surgery. If I can work up to a few good chins, then I'll know my shoulder is back. |
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Posted: 2/26/07 at 12:14pm |
Well, it just feels wierd. Like I'm tight in the gut. Feel real strong though. |
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